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Andrea Rossi

Andrea Rossi

The following is an edited version of the transcript from pesn.com

Andrea Rossi is an engineer, businessman, and inventor. Originally from Italy he now resides in the United States.

In Andrea Rossi’s own words on January 14,2012

A.Rossi: ”I have made in Italy from 1970 when I started to work. I was born in 1950. I have made biomass energy, power and energy plants. And that has been my source of work. And when in 1989, Fleischmann and Pons made their press conference announcing their discovery, I had been fascinated from that effect. From that period I started to try to reproduce their effect, and I did not succeed to reproduce it with their system. So I have researched other systems. And around 2006 or 2007 we started to have an amount of energy produced using low energy nuclear reactions. And at that point I have focused the attention exclusively on this issue. I sold all my other businesses and financed this research. I asked the help of the University of Bologna through Professor Focardi, and I must say that initially I asked him to be a consultant to us, to show me that my system could never work. To make me free from it, because it was an obsession. It was too good to be true, so I said, “Please explain to me why it does not work.” And after some day he said, “I have some bad news for you, I think the system works.” And so it is worth it for you to stay in this track. We worked together, we asked his consulting mainly for the safety issues, to go ahead with the experiments in a safe way, and to make the prototypes so that they could be safe. And then we arrived to the presentation of one year ago, when we were ready to present an apparatus able to produce an energy that was usable in real industrial situations. I hope that my English is enough to let you understand what I am saying.

The E-Cat we must put a distinction between the industrial plants, and what will be the domestic plants that we will start to deliver in the next winter. In any case, the kind of module of an E-Cat is made by a small box as big as a box of cigarettes to give an idea. Inside which there is a powder of nickel, and is compressed hydrogen. Inside this.. and there are also the catalyzers from which the name E-Cat, which is a shortcut for Energy Catalyzer, the differentials of pressure and temperature properly handled produce an effect that emits a low energy gamma rays. The gamma rays then hit the wall of lead, and the lead turns the gamma rays, the low energy gamma rays, into heat. The heat then heats the water that flows outside the reactor.

To produce a megawatt power of energy, we employ a very, very very tiny amount of hydrogen and nickel. And this effect has now been understood very well. And the theory will be presented soon. And this way, we can produce energy without emission of any kind of gas, without as you correctly said production of any kind of waste, without using radioactive materials, without radioactive leaving materials. Without emission of CO2, or noise, or anything else. So it is environmentally friendly.

Since the materials that we use are nickel and hydrogen, should the temperature go too high, at that point the nickel which is just nickel, like the nickel of the five cent, five cents of dollar. And the nickel when it melts is no more powder. Then the E-Cat cannot work if the nickel is not powder. So automatically intrinsically we say, if the temperature goes too high, the E-Cat turns out. It is switched off, because has no more proper nickel in powder form to operate.

What we produce now is just heat. Because we have not yet resolved the problems that we have to turn this heat into electric energy. It will take between one and two years to be able to make E-Cats that make also electricity, besides heat. For now we are just heating with our E-Cats.

The amount of nickel that we consume is very, very tiny respect to the amount of nickel that is produced. To understand well this I can use numbers. You must consider that one gram of matter of mass of matter, of nickel or anything in this world is equal… can produce if turned into heat, can produce twenty three thousand megawatt hours of energy. Again, one gram of mass, of nickel, can produce twenty three thousand megawatts of energy. If you think this, you can imagine that even if this kind of technology will be well used in our planet, the amount of nickel consumed in one year will be less than 1% of the nickel that today is produced in the world. And so it is impossible that there can be shortages of nickel because it is absolutely. It is irrelevant the amount that is consumed.

But you must consider that we make tests everyday in our laboratory with our consultants, with our apparatus. Now the technology is very solid, the E-Cats now are very stable. We have manufacturing right now, one megawatt plants why for the domestic small E-Cats, we, first of all, we have started the certification process with underwriter laboratories, which will be necessary to sell the E-Cats. And at the same time, we are engineering, right now, we are preparing a totally robotized manufacturing factory, which will be able to produce one million pieces per year. This will be in the United States. And I am honored to say this, because I reside in the USA. I love the United States, and I wanted for many reasons that now I cannot explain, to develop in the United States this technology. And I want that this technology is American. In Florida. And at this point, the very important issue now for many reasons is to push the price of an E-Cat very, very down. Because this technology must be for all. And I want that a ten kilowatt E-Cat costs around $500 dollars. To make this we must absolutely robotize and engineer very well the manufacturing lines, because you know, to compete… because once we will have defused our devices, our E-Cats, in the market, we will be subject to copies, intentional copies and competition. And to compete against, also because yes, we have patents pending, but to be sure that the reverse engineering will not put in jeopardy our production, we had to make it the best way to fight against the competition is to have a very low price. This is the effort that now we are making, because I foresee that we will have to compete against production made in China, and we have China or other countries where, of course the work… We cannot compete against that kind of system, social system that makes the work have costs that are unsustainable for us. So we have to fight against them with best, better engineering in the production lines. Now our efforts are passed from the technology of the E-Cat which is mature and stable right now, to the engineering system. Because if not, we have won the battle of the technology, we risk to go to lose the war of the competition. Which is why now we have to work very hard on the engineering. And we are doing it. There is so we will be able to put in the market in a very cheap way, and you will be surprised from the very high level of easiness of use of the E-Cat.

We must foresee reverse engineer and to put knock out the reverse engineering that will come from, from countries that do not respect the standards of welfare of workers that we respect in the USA. We have to be prepared so that it will be impossible to beat us under the economic point of view. If not, we will make the end of the companies like Solyndra or the other one, that you know started making solar panels, but then arrived the Chinese and they have been put out of business. And you know, we have to study very well those cases in history, because we must foresee what they will do. And we must anticipate this war, because this is a war, and we want to win it.

You know, many other technologies based on nickel and hydrogen tried to work, but they did not work. And this is why we have to cover them. Of course once we will have millions of pieces in the market it will not be very very difficult for a laboratory to understand which are these catalysts, but at that point, as I said before, we will be so well engineered with a production system that the reverse engineering will not be enough to compete with us. Because after that there will be the necessity to compete with us. And so, I hope we will take an advantage.

Also, while we are talking about the function of the technology, there is also been talk about some kind of a frequency that is used to impose on the system, some kind of electromagnetic radio… some kind of vibrational frequency. this is a confidential issue. Yes, we use… I can say you this… That we use a system that is similar to what happens in the martial arts, oriental martial arts. The effect is based on the fact the forces that theoretically should fight against us, and I mean the Coulomb forces, are used to help us. This is the principle. And this is the issue. This effect is an effect where we have turned to our advantage what theoretically has to be to our disadvantage.

We are working very well with National Instruments, and we are learning a lot from them. And surely their technology is helping us in the stability issue, and this will be very useful, mainly in the path to arrive at the production of electricity. Because you could ask me why are you able to produce heat, and are you not yet able to make electricity. While it will be very easy turn heat into electricity, it is not a big issue to turn heat into electricity. Yes, theoretically the effect is that to make electricity with acceptable efficiency, you must have temperatures of at least 400 Celsius degrees. And which means kind of around 1,000 degrees. And this factor makes unstable the reactor. Now we have a very good stability now, and the E-Cat up to 120C degrees is very stable and works properly with no problems at all, without peaks. One year ago we had problems of peaks, that made unstable the reactor. Now, after one year we have reached a very good stability until 120C. So to make heat is not a problem. To go higher than that, because you know, theoretically should be easy to raise the temperature. Because you put in series instead of in parallel the E-Cats, and put them in series you should raise the temperature. Yes, this is true, but unfortunately when we arrived to high temperatures we had problems. And, but we are resolving these problems. And we are resolving this problem with the help of the customer that had bought the one megawatt plant and with the help of National Instruments which is a wonderful, a wonderful supplier, because their philosophy is to teach to their customer to fish. They said to me in one of the first meetings I had with their managers and their scientists, they said we want to teach to your company to.. We want not just to sell to you a fish. But we want they said, you to learn to fish, because if you learn to fish, we can go fishing together. And upgrade together the technology. And this philosophy of theirs is a philosophy that will give very good results.

The unit that has to be certified is the unit exactly how it will be when we will put it in.. we have made prototypes of the unit which is much smaller, much lighter, etc. Because it is already engineered to be produced in big quantities. So it is already engineered, and it has been assembled along the directions that already the engineer of UL, that I am working with, gave us.

It will look like a small portable computer. It will have close the dimensions of a small portable computer, and it will be possible to apply heat to any existing heater. So you will just heat up.. You know the model for me has been the software of Microsoft. The software of Microsoft is a processor that you insert into any computer of the world. And the concept is the same. The E-Cat will be a processor able to make heat that you can.. in any kind of heater existing in the world in a very simple way, and every contractor or installer will be able to plug it in. And to refill it which is necessary every six months, or every 180 days of operation, it will be very easy, because it will be like to refill a pen, and this will be the E-Cat.

For what concerns the heat the water of the heating system, to heat the rooms to heat factories, houses, etc. Yes. It will have the necessary elasticity. For water where you need, you know… The fact that the gas turns on when you open the valve of the water to wash your hands, and then you close the valve and the gas turns off. This elasticity of course is impossible, so the E-Cat will be plugged to resolve basically the ability to be connected fundamentally with heating circuit. While the existing heater will continue to be the one used for the symmetry. You know, your heater gives you two kinds of water. The water to heat the radiators, to give the heat to give the right temperature to the rooms.

What counts is that a charge lasts one hundred and eighty days, I mean one hundred and eighty operational days. So if you use it in…. if you use it for one month of the year, one charge will last six years, not six months. The charge is consumed only if you need the operation. If you do not need the operation you turn the E-Cat off, and after thirty minutes or one hour maximum, the E-Cat is turned off and consumes nothing.

Our system point which will be closed to the customer and later I will explain you why, will supply to the customer the re-fills, and the customer can change the re-fills himself, or if he wants the installer or the plumber can go to make the change. It is a very easy operation. And the old cartridge will be sent back to us, because we recycle it. And we have just to re-treat the nickel. And then the cartridge, the old cartridge becomes new and is ready to be put again into operation. And so there will be a circulation of cartridges, because you have an E-Cat when the cartridge is consumed you give it back to our agency, and change it and put on the new one, and the old one goes in our factory to be re-treated. And of course completely recycled. And that’s it… The reason why I stated before that the assistance point would be close to the customer is very simple, because the fact that an E-Cat can be attached to any kind of heater you already have makes possible to us to tell you to go to your installer, to your traditional installer or plumber, and put him in contact with us. And we will give him instructions to assist you.

The re-fill cost, if you change the re-fill yourself, it is basically nothing. Just the cost of the cartridge. A cartridge can cost ten dollars, and to change it yourself, it’s over. You have to spend nothing more. If not, you have to pay the installer, the trip that, the return trip he has to make to come to your house and change it.

Here we have a big surprise. This is a big surprise. It is very likely that the E-Cats we are working with now, work without canisters of hydrogen, because we have resolved the problem with a substance that inside the reactor stores and recycles the hydrogen. Consuming it, but you know we consume a picogram of hydrogen, and so a charge of ten grams lasts six months of operation. So basically, we have resolved the problem of the canister. The problem of the canister was very big for the domestic E-Cats. Because to get a safety certifications for an apparatus that has a tank of hydrogen, was very difficult. And so we have resolved the problem. This is a tremendous improvement of our technology that we made in these last times. We have resolved that problem using temperatures.

The charge is consumed only during the operational work of the E-Cat. So if you work hard one day and stop and do not make the E-Cat work for five days, of course the charge consumes only during that day, not the other five. So when we say that a charge lasts one hundred and eighty days. This does not mean one hundred and eighty calendar days. It means one hundred and eighty operational days.

We are organizing the network. With licenses and with agencies. We will end, we will also sell the E-Cats in the internet. And again, to organize the assistance network, we will ask to the customers to put us in contact with their usual trusted contractor or plumber or installer… So that we will have the experience there. He will have the usual assistance, and we will extend this way in an assistance network close to where have real customers.

Automatically, the E-Cat will go into self-sustain mode when control system will decide. The 10 kilowatt E-Cat will work exactly as the one megawatt E-Cat under it’s point of view. This will be a completely automatically done. It is not something like in an electric car. Like in today’s electric car, is the control system that decides when it goes by gas or goes by the battery. The driver has just to drive. The E-Cat will go into self-sustain mode or in drive mode, automatically. This will not be a choice of the owner.

The transmutation of nickel to copper is a side effect of the working of the E-Cat. The main effect that happens inside is an effect that needs low energy gamma rays. The transmutation to copper is a side effect. Yes, we have got evidence of 511, 180 degree couples… I mean 511 kevs gammas, at 180 degrees. We got them which come from the reaction between the matter of the electrons and the anti-matter of the positrons. But this is just a side effect, but you know… To explain exactly the theory of what happens inside, until we decide to disclose the technology, it is basically not possible. But again, yes we got evidence, we got evidence and we will publish the documents about this of the 511 kevs.

You consider that every 10 kilowatts of power draw about 2 point, during the start-up, the activation period, we draw about 2.7 or 2.9 kilowatts of power. Basically during the activation, you consume 2.7 to 2.9 kilowatt hours per hour. And this goes on for up to, depends on… in a small E-Cat it takes one hour. In a one megawatt plant it takes a couple of hours, because there we have more complex problems. But in any case, yes, the activation energy is 2.7 kilowatt hours per hour, every 10 kilowatts of power of the plant.

The patent is still pending. We have our patent has been granted in Italy. So the process of authorization and study of the patent has been two years long in Italy. Then we had the patent granted. While the international and the US are still pending. Our patent attorney’s are working on it. I cannot say anymore, because this is an issue that does not depend on us. That is it.

We have to prepare for the production of a million pieces. That is the work we are doing. Of course the tests of the E-Cats and also the work with Uppsala and Bologna we will go ahead, but no more public tests. At this point, we are going to mass production of the E-Cats. And this is the job that we need to do. I just wanted to add that once the E-Cats will be for sale. I mean the small E-Cats, everybody will be able to buy one and make all the tests he will want.

We will start production in the fall. In the fall we will have ready all the engineering to start the production. And the sales will start in the winter. The production will be one million pieces per year. But from now to the fall, the work will be to prepare the factories.

We are walking deeply and profoundly to make the E-Cats at a very, very low price to allow people to pay back the E-Cat in a few months. The best help is to consider that getting an E-Cat, they save money for thirty years which is the expected life of an E-Cat. To pre-order an E-Cat is the thing that gives us a good way, is not risky, because it cost nothing. And when the E-Cats will be ready to be for sale, we will send to everybody who makes a pre-order a specific offer. And everybody will be free to cancel their order, or confirm it. And this is a good way to help us. And, do not send money, but just say, well, when the E-Cat will be out I will be ready to buy it. The price anyway will be between $400 and $500 dollars for a ten kilowatt system. This is a win-win proposal. And stay in touch with us, for now we have just to work.”

This is the link to the whole transcript.

Momentous Breakthroughs Announced During Anniversary E-Cat Interview

Journal of Nuclear Physics is Andrea Rossi’s  web site and contains many LENR papers.  Also to pre-order, comment on any thread to Andrea Rossi that you wish to be added to the order notification list.  pg

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78 responses to “Andrea Rossi

  1. P.G. Sharrow January 23, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    @ All; Latest comment from Andrea Rossi at his blog: Journal of Nuclear Physics

    Andrea Rossi
    January 23rd, 2012 at 10:06 AM

    “Dear Christian Bistriceanu:
    Your pre-order has been accepted. By the way: so far we received about 50,000 pre-orders and counting, which is not bad, for a product that has still to be described in details. Our 10,000 target has been burnt rapidly.
    The E-Cat will be offered in details by tis Autumn and the shipments will start probably within the next winter, if we will have not delays for unforeseen problems. Surely we will start the shipments within 18 months from now.
    You will be free to buy it wherever you want and send it wherever you want. You will be also able to buy it in Internet and we will provide you all the assistance you need.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

    Looks like he has things moving along as fast as possible. pg

  2. Zeke February 1, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Thanks PG, Andrea Rossi’s E Cat is extraordinarily important for energy and for physics. It shows that you have a first class blog! (:

    The way he is marketing his device is quite remarkable, and part of the story in wonderful ways.

    I used to wonder what investments and markets would be like if investors mainly put their money in the development and marketing of products that they actually thought were valuable, instead of basing their decisions on numbers reporting. I think a woman once wrote a book about investing the other way. Obviously, hardly anyone has read it! (:

  3. P.G. Sharrow February 1, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    @Zeke; Some time ago I advised my son the best place to make money was to provide goods or services that were totally unnecessary as people would cut every corner to save money on necessities so that they could spend as much as possible on unneeded things. Now he makes little pieces of artwork in a computer that are sold around the world to be added to games as people play them. Every day and night all around the world people click on their device and the art is uploaded to them and money is downloaded from their bank account and he still owns what he created! and this little stream of pennies and dimes comes in every minuet of every day. Me, when I create something and sell it,. It is gone! and I must labor days to create another, and people will chisel to get the least possible price even if they REALLY need it. Farming is the worst, as food is the most important necessity. Rossi’s device may well be one of the most important inventions of the 21st century, maybe even rate as important as the use of fire. 😎

    To add, I doubt that he will profit from this as it will be too easy to copy the technology once it is known how it works. This is not much more complicated then first internal combustion engine. Once you see one operate, anyone can create the second one and make it better. The Rossi device is not the only one being created, it is just the most advanced. pg

  4. adolfogiurfa February 2, 2012 at 5:35 am

    @P.G: How wise you are, it seems that knowledge and money are not good companions. Being the intermediators between the “topos uranus”, the heralds of the times to come it seems it does not give any rewards, but the greatest of all: Inmortality.

  5. P.G. Sharrow February 2, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Michel Nostradamus said even if we might know of future events, we are not permitted to change them. So just sit back and order more popcorn or take part if you wish! pg

  6. Zeke February 2, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    You’re kidding. I just love it! (: 🙂

    With Rossi, I think this may work for his ultimate success. He is working on principle – to get cheap power to all – and he is working for profit. These are both excellent motives.

    The higher principles are more powerful over time than all numbers and appearances. There is a book about that, called “Power vs. Force.” Power is quiet and genuine. Tenuc would like this book because it basically is saying that the higher principles are the strange attractors in chaos theory, and that they determine the order of great things, despite being quite seemingly small.

    Note; If you want smileys put the eyes first, after 2 spaces pg

  7. P.G. Sharrow February 2, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    Heaven is doing that which you enjoy. I find great joy in creating new things for others use. But if they get greedy and demanding things will not go well for them. Be careful in acquisition you may be acquiring a blessing or a curse. One must do such things with care. To give a blessing will get a blessing. To give a curse will get a curse. For those that will do ill it is best to set a honey trap so that they will bring ill to themselves and wish them success. 😉 and then just walk away.
    There are 10s of thousands of people around the world praying for the success of Andrea Rossi!
    Many hundreds that will do a great deal to assist in making this succeed, That is a great deal of positive intent. Prophecies for this time include a device such as this that will become available to the people of earth for power and it will also provide a way to passivate radioactive materials. A wonderful blessing for the future of humanity. The Internet and the LENR reactor and one other device will be part of the new age. To this add a renewal of acceptance for psychic connection and effects. A new age indeed! As there IS a connection between physics and psychics and it starts with Aether. 😎 pg

  8. P.G. Sharrow February 2, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    Andrea Rossi
    February 2nd, 2012 at 8:59 AM

    “Dear Italo R.:
    Absolutely not, because all the activity inside the E-Cat lasts in 20 minutes, and the shut down time is 1 hour. We have strong evidence of this made in thousands of measurements. This will be clearly understood when I will give open explication of the “effect” that is produced in the E-Cat.
    Every E-Cat will be supplied with 2 refill charges, one inside, one for spare: after 6 months the Customer will make easily the extraction of the used refill and put the new one, sending back to our local Agent the used refill; we will recycle it and give a new spare to the Customer, so that after the next 6 months he will repeat the operation. We are making inventions by the day on our E-Cat, and covering all by due patents. Meanwhile the factory with the robotized line is becoming a reality. We are making a big job, here in the USA.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

    This is in response to a question about the residual radiation in the fuel element after shut down for refueling. pg

  9. Tenuc February 4, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Without a doubt, small home/community power generation systems are the way to go for rural populations, as transmission infrastructure costs and transmission power loses reduce chance of us ever having really cheap energy. I’m hoping E-cat will live up to its promise, although there are other technologies ‘in the wings’ which could achieve the dream should A.R. fail.

    This technology has the potential to change civilisation, as with really cheap energy the third world will be able to blossom and achieve its potential far more quickly than the current context will allow.

    In the longer term it should be possible to up-scale A.R.’s technology, allowing mains connected generators so that urban areas can also benefit from the new technology. The need here is less urgent as in the developed world the transmission infrastructure is in place and power generation is reasonable efficient.

    Thanks for keeping us all up-to-date with developments on this, PG.

  10. P.G. Sharrow February 4, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    I’m glad to be of help. I have been following this LENR field for over 20 years. This Rossi device is the most promising one that I have seen so far. I am on the pre-list and hope to get one of the earlier 10kw units. I will test and report here and we will see how this works out.
    At least heat my green house. pg

  11. P.G. Sharrow February 9, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Latest on Ecat is that Rossi has nearly 100,000 pre-orders and that the projected F.O.B. price is between 600 to 800 US Dollars or 500 to 700 Euros. Specifications and prices should be firm and notifications to accept orders to come after the end of August. pg

  12. Zeke February 9, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    “Yes, it will be possible to power the drives of the E-Cat in series, to increase the efficiency, of course when we will able to produce efficiently elecric energy. But I want to say you one thing: Today we met a Partner in the USA who will allow a tremendous increase of efficiency of the system. The beautiful of this Country is that when you wake up in the morning you never know what will happen new during the day.” ~Andrea Rossi

  13. P.G. Sharrow February 9, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    @Zeke; nice pick of Rossi comments.After working in “the back waters” of Italy for most his life and having to fight off the mafia/politicians that worked to steal his creations, Rossi must think that the US is heaven to work in. Rossi’s track record of creating devices that work is fairly good, as to making them a financial success, he has had a lot of experience to learn from. 😐 pg

  14. P.G. Sharrow February 16, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Andrea Rossi
    February 16th, 2012 at 4:22 AM

    “Dear Charlie Sutherland,
    the maximum T and P we can get right now from a module containing 3 reactors is:
    T < 200° C
    P < 2 kg x cm^-2
    As I said, we are working strongly, also with our Customer, to raise these data.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R."

    This in reply to a question about output in temperature and pressure for possible steam production.
    This is about T= 250F and P= 25psi pg

  15. P.G. Sharrow February 20, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Andrea Rossi
    February 19th, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    “Dear Lu Fong:
    I have received many comments with the same questions regarding National Instruments, so I answer to you and the answers are valid also for the other Readers who have put the same questions.
    We have worked very well with N.I., and we have learnt from them very much. We are very grateful to them for all what they have teached to us, training our technological people in a very useful way, for weeks.
    As I said already, Leonardo Corporation is structurally changed in these last weeks, and the Trust to which now Leonardo Corporation belongs has chosen other suppliers. Also our Customer has chosen other suppliers. We will remain always grateful to NI for what they teached to our people and we will ask in future proposals also to them . Personally, I am convinced that sooner or later we will buy also their systems.
    Said this, I want answer in the detail to your questions:
    1- Our scheduling, obviously, will not be affected, the suppliers we have chosen are already respecting all the scheduled milestones.
    2- 3- Yes, we have already the control systems set up in the 1 MW plant, which will be delivered to the Customer very soon. By the way, such systems have been chosen directly from the Customer, who preferred a supplier he was already working with.
    I want to add that we have chosen other Customers not because better, but only because of their longstanding collaboration with our Partners and Customer. I personally think that NI is a very good company and, again, we will maintain them in our list of Suppliers, honoured of this.
    The 1 MW plant is a magnificence, and the preparation of the robotized line to produce the E-Cats is in schedule to start the production within Autumn and the deliveries within the next Winter, with some luck; in the worst case, within 18 months we will deliver, and we will deliver at the prices we promised. The technology has been revolutionized, we are testing the new E-Cats and we are very satisfied. This very week we will start to use the new control system made by the new Supplier.
    Let me do a last consideration: the fact that snakes and clowns have used this episode to create a mess is the demonstration that we have not to release the names of our Partner, Suppliers and Customers, to avoid the falsifications that the puppet snakes and the clowns make up and, over all, the disturbments that they bring up to all the entities working with us. We all need to work in peace. We have to work in our factories 16 hours per day (also today, Sunday) and we have not time at all to compete in the field of the chatters of snakes who are PAID by their puppeteers to try to create a mess from nothing.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R”.

    It looks like Rossi is on scheduled for production of the Ecat to start this fall. pg

  16. Zeke March 7, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Hi PG, I was a little quicker than you to post ECat’s March Update. Look at this:

    http://ecat-news.com/

    Lots of news from Rossi.

  17. p.g.sharrow March 7, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    @Zeke, I checked out the link and your blog post, made my comment there. It looks like Rossi plans to begin Domestic Ecat production this winter and expects to take actual contractual orders this fall, we shall see. pg

  18. adolfogiurfa March 12, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Zeke: BTW, thanks to your advice Rossi´s people contacted me for my Nano nickel, but, they just disappeared after that. Perhaps P.G. could build a reactor if I give him how to obtain those particles (very easy and cheap to do it)

  19. Zeke March 12, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Adolfo: Do you think they read the thread on Tallbloke’s Talkshop?
    I hope they are doing well. There was a recent change of companies for production. Perhaps they will be back in touch when things settle down?

  20. p.g.sharrow March 13, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Interesting comments from http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580

    Rob
    March 13th, 2012 at 5:56 AM

    Dear Mr.Rossi,
    To me it seems that the very small amount of gamma radiation is due to the fact that metal powder is an essential component in the process. Electromagnitic radiations can be absorbed due to eddy currents that occur. Eddy currents will produce heat due to the electrical resistance within the metal.
    Compare this with induction cooking on nana scale.
    In short, much gamma radiation is generated, but most of it is absorbed within the metal powder.
    The rest is absorbed by the lead shielding.
    Correct?
    Andrea Rossi
    March 13th, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    Dear Rob:
    Not bad.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    @ The patent and other comments remark on the radiation created in the operating device being captured in the boron and the lead layers to be changed into Heat. pg

  21. p.g.sharrow March 13, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    @Aldolfo; As long as Rossi continues to make progress I am glad to let him do the work. I have my own project to occupy my efforts. God works within many hands. Besides working with nano powder nickel is not a pleasant project.
    The assay of an expended nickel element indicated 30% copper and 12% iron. Only 5% of natural nickel is of active isotopes and Rossi comments that he enriches the fuel element with a process that increases the cost of the nickel about 10%. and that the Iron must be contamination from the stainless steel canister. The reaction converts the heavy isotopes of nickel to copper during the reaction. What would be your observations to accomplish this fact of the assay?
    @Zeke I believe Rossi checks up on what is being said, on many blogs, about his efforts.pg

  22. Zeke March 14, 2012 at 8:42 am

    It is possible that he reads what is being said about his work. But Rossi also said that he is working 16 hrs/day and Sundays, so I do not know when he would have time.

    source: http://faq.ecat.com/118340/yesterday-it-was-reported-that-national-instruments-and-leonardo-corporationandrea-rossi-or-partners/

  23. p.g.sharrow March 14, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    @Zeke; I also work 16 hrs a day, sometimes at the computer and not always out in the shop or fields 😉
    @Aldolfo & Zeke; check out this material at
    http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=15857&step=4&showunits=inches&id=1172&top_cat=0. and consider changing the base material from iron to nickel. let me know what you think. pg

  24. adolfogiurfa March 14, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    @P.G. the Iron must be contamination from the stainless steel canister That´s for sure, and it indicates a wrong design. Stainless steel is believed by many people having properties it does not have, it reacts very easily in an acid environment if there is a metal having a more negative potential, this goes for the cookware too, as it easily releases chromium, which is a carcinogen. The best cookware is made out of elements we have in our bodies, as iron (or low carbon steel) or the traditional clay. (Well this was OT).
    Me, having made so many chemical reactions, see these intra-atomic reactions as intermediate reactions. The reaction happening here is that of Hydrogen reacting with Nickel as to form H2Ni (Nickel hydride) which is is favored if in presence of an alkali, like Na or K, forming in first place HNa or HK and then releasing free H+ when reacting with Nickel, this goes on until all the energy of jumping electrons gets exhausted and a more stable level is attained: that of Copper. But, you see, as only a part of the Ni metal is transformed that indicates that the performance is partial.
    What take us to the first atomic bomb: If Einstein´s equation of Energy, where C, the velocity of light is squared were to be valid, we would not be here……fortunately the right equation was Planck´s, though he had the misfortune of not being on the II WW winners side….

  25. adolfogiurfa March 14, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    @P.G.: A nickel rod?, that would mean too little contact surface, that is why nickel nanopowder is the choice. (Unless you meant something different)

  26. adolfogiurfa March 14, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    @P.G.: if it is for the reaction chamber it would be OK.

  27. p.g.sharrow March 14, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    @Adolfo ; don’t worry about being off thread, I at times learn the most important stuff while looking for something totally different. I just sent you an Email on the above subject. If stainless steel is not the best thing for a pressure vessel for hot hydrogen what do you suggest? pg

  28. Zeke March 14, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    “•The hydrogen canister has been removed and the hydrogen is now stored inside a solid material due to safety reasons”

    Is this an electrolysis feature added on to the E-Cat?

  29. p.g.sharrow March 15, 2012 at 5:48 am

    @Zeke; The fuel cartridge contains hydrogen as a hydride that is sufficient for its’ operation. As the temperature increases enough hydrogen is released to pressurize the nickel to create the reaction. pg

  30. adolfogiurfa March 16, 2012 at 8:04 am

    Will it see the light someday? Anyway many smart people as P.G. can make a replica.

  31. p.g.sharrow March 19, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Lateest : On finalizing of design of the Domestic Ecat,

    Andrea Rossi
    March 16th, 2012 at 5:05 PM

    Dear Marco S.:
    We are giving essential preliminar information, now, because we will be able to give detailed description only in Autumn, when the production will start, after the factory will have been completed , the robotized line will be completed and the certifications will have been completed: we cannot finish the design of the E-Cats before the certificators give us all the necessary requirements.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    I was wondering why no artist rendition of finished product. pg

  32. p.g.sharrow March 29, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    @All this is a link to the latest interview with AR, By James Burgess | Thu, 29 March 2012 13:54 |
    http://oilprice.com/Interviews/The-Limitless-Potential-of-the-E-Cat-An-Interview-with-Andrea-Rossi.html

    Good read. pg

  33. Zeke March 30, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Yes, that is a good interview, thank you PG. I think he is a true genius inventor for realizing that there was no need for all of that packing of paladium rods. I love the inspiration and experimental tenacity of using a powder!
    Did you see how he mentioned his catalyzer when they brought up rare earth elements?

  34. p.g.sharrow March 30, 2012 at 9:27 am

    @Zeke; Yes, gives some ideas for photonic emission enhancement to kick start gamma ray output, Kind of like addition to asbestosis mantle material to cause incandescence in a gas light. pg

  35. Zeke April 3, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    What is he using to shield the reaction, did you say it was a radiofrequency?

  36. p.g.sharrow April 3, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    @Zeke;The radiation shielding is 11mm Boron, then 11mm lead. This is to shield Xray and neutrons produced during the reaction and helps to convert these to heat energy. I believe that RF is used to push / pull the density needed for fusion reactions. Fusion takes place when nuclear density can cause hydrogen to collapse to neutron and cozy up to the protons in the nucleus. Once inside the electron shells it can turn back to proton inside the electron shells. All this requires the electronic density to be oscillated around the correct thermal energy level. I am not sure if Rossi understands and uses this method of control. I believe he uses Thermal levels for control, We will see in about a year. pg

  37. Zeke April 10, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    That is interesting PG and thank you for andswer and your thoughts on the proton being converted to a neutron.
    Has Andrea Rossi stated what he needs the RF for? Did he say it was for “shielding”?

  38. Zeke April 10, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    Spelling test, answer and palladium (:

  39. p.g.sharrow April 10, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    @Zeke; While there are several mentions of a RF generator as part of the early Ecats, Rossi has not elaborated on its need or use. I can not see any shielding value to an RF generator. pg

  40. p.g.sharrow April 16, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    @ the latest comment by Rossi on the startup of manufacturing of the Ecat;

    Andrea Rossi
    April 14th, 2012 at 4:00 PM

    “Dear Frank Acland:
    We have already made all the engineering of the production line in the two factories we will set up (one in the USA, one in Europe) and we will have just to set up the software of the robots and fix the drawings after the requirements of the Certificators. I think that it will take from 6 to 12 months afer the certifications will be done to start the production.
    Warm Regards,”
    A.R.
    From Rossi’s Blog: Journal of Nuclear Physics. pg

  41. p.g.sharrow May 5, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Great news from the Journal of Nuclear Physics;

    Andrea Rossi
    May 5th, 2012 at 8:38 AM

    “Dear Dr Joseph Fine:
    I agree.
    It’s Saturday, but today and tomorrow we will work 24 hours a day on the reactor we have made here in the USA: we have stabilized it at very high temperatures…and when I say very high I mean it. We understood the reason of the instability, so now the work is going on hard.
    Warmest Regards,
    A.R.”

    P.G.Sharrow
    May 5th, 2012 at 2:16 PM

    Andrea Rossi: You say that you now understand the reason for the high temperature instability. This is wonderful news! And a reactor/amplifier may now be able to achieve quite high temperatures!

    The little cat might become a Lion. Good news indeed. pg

    “Andrea Rossi
    May 5th, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    Dear P.G. Sharrow:
    I must thank our military Customer, we are working with them and learning.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

    More good information. pg

  42. p.g.sharrow May 13, 2012 at 8:24 am

    This just was posted on ;
    http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com by Andrea Rossi

    Andrea Rossi
    May 13th, 2012 at 8:03 AM

    “Dear Pietro F.:
    I have been authorized to give the following information.
    The 1 MW plant has been delivered and is working in a military concern. It has been made in the USA, after the October test of the prototype made in Italy; such prototype will be delivered, with the modifications which we will complete based on what we learnt from the model at work, to a European Customer in July. I have not been allowed to give this information until now.
    We are working very much and very hard to be as fast as possible. For the domestic E-Cats we have the necessity of the certification made. The industrial plants will get the necessary certification within weeks.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

    It appears that one commercial 1MW unit is in operation and the original 1MW prototype is being upgraded for delivery to a European customer. pg

  43. adolfogiurfa May 16, 2012 at 8:52 am

    Hey PG. there is another more effective propellant: Put some Euros in it and your machine will fly up, up and away 🙂

  44. p.g.sharrow May 16, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    @Adolfo; I don’t think Euros have much “lift” in them at present. On the other hand Rossi claims he has solved the high temperature stability problem. In the new test device, he is going for as high as 370C. High enough for steam power electric generation, or a sterling engine! 😎 pg

  45. p.g.sharrow May 19, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Andrea Rossi
    May 19th, 2012 at 5:10 PM

    “Dear Franco:
    We are working with good stability at 600 Celsius degrees. This, if confirmed by the next tests, clearly opens all the possible doors.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.
    p.s. Today, Saturday May 19th,right now, 6.10 p.m. in Miami, I am working at 600 Celsius with the new E-Cat”

    Now this is beginning to look like a possibility for a real power plant! pg

  46. p.g.sharrow June 2, 2012 at 6:16 am

    New information on fuel cartridge;

    Andrea Rossi
    June 2nd, 2012 at 8:11 AM

    “Dear Antonella:
    Good question.
    This is the question I could have asked for, should I have been in your position.
    Before I answer, please consider my position: I cannot so far disclose my theory and I cannot disclose, until the international patent is granted, how the reactor exactly works. Therefore I have to answer within the boundaries allowed from my former considerations.
    1- the analisys are made upon samples which are always different, due to the difficulties to make omologous samples when you deal with a matter where a tiny percentage of matter reacts within the total charge.
    2- impurities are always possible
    3- We enrich the Ni with the 62 and 64 isotopes, which are the sole to work really: if they had not worked and therefore if Cu had not been born, an excess of 62 and 64 Ni had to be found: therefore the fact that we did not find a percentage of Ni outside the relatively wide band of the isotopes is normal. Should not Cu have been made, we would have found an excess of 62 and 64 Ni
    4- Our theory is deeply changed during the last 2 years of experience and tests, and we have understood clearly which is the transmutation role, so that all the considerations of your Collegue are perferctly explained
    5- Remember that our goal is not to produce copper, our goal is to produce energy.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

    This is in reply to a question on a spent fuel cartridge assay that showed 10% copper and 11% iron while the unused fuel sample was nearly pure nickel. pg

  47. p.g.sharrow June 28, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    More select comments from A Rossi:

    Andrea Rossi
    June 24th, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    “Dear Italo R.:
    Actually, I am in the USA, close to 20 reactors working above 600 Celsius. We must collect at least 20 000 hours of test. This is not sweating: this is vaporizing, as correctly the snakes say.
    Soon (weeks) we will publish the report of the high temperature reactor validation.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

    Andrea Rossi
    June 25th, 2012 at 7:57 AM

    “Dear Dr Joseph Fine:
    They will go in parallel, because the temp. they reach is very high. When I say above 600 Celsius I mean exactly this: the temperatureof the wall is well above, as you will see from the report we will publish soon ( matter of weeks). The temperature is constant, within a reasonable variation integral.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

    Joseph Fine
    June 26th, 2012 at 10:15 PM

    “Steven, A.R.

    Based on earlier demonstrations in Bologna, water is not “consumed” and vented to the atmosphere as steam, but passes through an external heat exchanger/dissipator and recirculated. At 600 degrees C, the pressure may be high enough to keep ‘steam’ in a Super-critical state. The conditions for the super-critical state (for H2O) are above 374 C and pressures above 220.6 bar/(3200 psi).

    Joseph”

    This is real HOT! 920 degrees Fahrenheit. pg

  48. P.G. Sharrow September 12, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    This is the latest from Rossi’s site on testing of the high temperature (1,000C) Ecat reactor;

    Joe
    September 12th, 2012 at 4:14 AM
    “Dr Rossi,
    1. Does the Hot Cat use Pb shielding?
    2. Does the Hot Cat use benzene?
    3. Does the Hot Cat use only STABLE isotopes of Ni?
    4. If so, does the Hot Cat leave the ratio of isotopes essentially UNchanged after use?
    5. Does MOST of the heat generated by the Hot Cat come from phenomena OTHER than transmutation of elements?

    All the best,
    Joe”

    Andrea Rossi
    September 12th, 2012 at 4:25 AM

    “Dear Joe:
    1- no, W shielding (Tungsten)
    2- no
    3- yes
    4- i think so, but the possible variations are so small that it is difficult to know, they could be contained in the variation range of the natural composition
    5- yes”

    This could be big. The reaction output may be caused by Neutron creation and decay only, at this high temperature, the COP number is 2, but with no apparent transmutation of elements. pg

  49. p.g.sharrow November 7, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    The following is a comment by Steven N Karels followed by A.Rossi’s answer useful information here:
    ______________________________________________________________________________

    Steven N. Karels
    November 5th, 2012 at 12:18 AM

    High Grade isotopes of Nickel are commercailly obtained from several companies.

    Let us assume the pre-operation mixture of the “fuel” is 80% 60Ni and 5% 62Ni and 15% 64Ni.

    The primary reaction will be:

    60Ni + H -> 61Cu (half-life of 3.33 hrs) -> 61Ni
    61Ni + H -> 62Cu (half-life 9.67 sec) -> 62Ni
    62Ni + H -> 63Cu (stable)
    64Ni + H -> 65Cu (stable)

    As the continuous eCat operation occurs, under this assumed scenario, the 60Ni will become 61Ni which will become 62Ni which stops with 63Cu.

    64Ni becomes 65Cu.

    If I assume a certain amount of 62Ni and 64Ni is needed, for some unknown to me reason, to be necessary to act as a catalyst for the reaction, the 62Ni is continuously replenished by the other Nickel reactions. But the 64Ni can become exhausted by its conversion to 65Cu. Perhaps that is why the eCat is limited to 6 months of operation?

    Probably wrong, but I see it as a possible candidate consistent with the lack of 59Ni generation.

    Andrea Rossi
    November 5th, 2012 at 10:10 AM

    Dear Steven N. Karels,
    Thank you for your insight, as I said I cannot give further information on this issue.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.
    ______________________________________________________________________________

    Rossi has said that the heavy Nickle Isotopes are enriched to make it work.
    Independent Assay of an exhausted low temperature Ecat cartage is that there is 30% copper with normal isotope distribution and the Nickle isotope distribution is normal.
    Steven N Karels has been asking good questions over some time and getting useful answers. This is one of his latest efforts. pg

  50. p.g.sharrow November 7, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    Rossi also says that the HOT Ecat creates only trace amounts of copper. pg

  51. p.g.sharrow November 8, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    A reply to a commentor to the Journal of Nuclear Physics
    ______________________________________________________________________________
    Andrea Rossi
    November 8th, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    Dear Marco:
    I appreciate wholeheartedly the enthusiasm of our supporters, but sometime I have the impression that the difficulties we are fighting against are strongly underevaluated, just like to make a LENR industrial apparatus should be a normal thing. If I say that we will make a thing betwen October and November, this does not mean October 1st, could also mean Nov. 30st.
    Can also happen that new difficulties raise, so a delay comes up. The NUCLEAR FUSION ( ITER and the likewise) scientists had foreseen to put their plant in operation 20 years ago. After 100 billions of (taxpayer’s) money, they today foresee that perhaps they will have a plant in operation in the next 50 years, after further hundreds of billion dollars, and the scientific context is comfortable with this. Their present target is COP 1.1; we published our work in 2009 ( see Focardi-Rossi paper on this Journal). After 3 years and few millions ( of our private company, no public funding requested, no taxpayer money spent) we are manufacturing ( completely at our risks) plants of 1 MW, one of which will go in operation within February 2013 and will be exposed to the public after a period of operation ( 2-3 months). The plant will be put in the concern of a major world holding, which has signed with us an extremely important contract. The plant will heat a fluid. No electricity will be produced in the first plant, because the Customer wants to make thermal energy with the forst application,but obviously, due to the high temperature we are now able to reach, the coupling with turbines in a Carnot cycle is possible and will surely be made by the same Customer in the next plants. We still guarantee COP 6, even if the supposition that the COP can be increased is not groundless. The self sustained mode happens for approximatively the 50% of the operational time, regulated by a new concept remotely governed control system. Well, after all this, somebody talks of infinite delays…well, allow me to say that some scientific context sometimes gives the impression not to be very scientific. We don’t bother, anyway, just work.
    As you can see, the answers are not confidential.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.
    ______________________________________________________________________________

    It would appear that any argument that this is an extended and elaborate con will be moot soon. pg

  52. p.g.sharrow November 13, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    Additional question and answer from the Journal of Nuclear Physics:
    ____________________________________________________________________________
    “Herb Gillis
    November 13th, 2012 at 11:56 AM

    Andrea Rossi:
    Do you think it is possible that just one of the isotopes 62 and 64 of Ni are involved, and not both? Or, are both of these isotopes (together) essential? Also; do you have evidence that either (or both) of these heavy isotopes are being consumed (transmuted to something else) in the reaction?
    If not, then they must be acting as catalysts in some way.

    Andrea Rossi
    November 13th, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    Dear Herb Gillis:
    Both work, both essential, some transmutes in copper as a side effect.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”
    _____________________________________________________________________________
    It appears that unstable Isotopes that are reactive are needed in the Rossi device BUT are not the main source of its’ energy creation. pg

  53. Zeke November 18, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    Hi pg, here is another post and response I thought was telling:

    eridanio
    November 8th, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    A certification for general public sale is a hardstuff.
    Try asking for a limited certification let’s say for 1,000 to 10,000 devices to be sold to volunteer customer involved in a closed beta program to be held in a small territory with all the required NDA signed and compulsory training,reporting and maintenance issues.

    A real field (controlled) certification test

    Dear Eridanio:
    Your option is not allowed. The certification for a domestic device is for all or for nobody.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  54. Zeke November 18, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    PS, I shared the same quote you have on tallbloke’s, although I read it and noticed it independently. It is a point which I first saw made by Astronomer Halton Arp, in his book Seeing Red and I keep meaning to share this passage.

    The heroic efforts and outrageous spending of tax dollars on hot fusion, without practical results, needs to be pointed out at this time. And Andrea Rossi is the best person to do that.

    PS, http://www.rossilivecat.com/ (:

  55. Zeke November 18, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Here is the Halton Arp excerpt:

    “Again in the fusion imbroglio we find the ever-present conflict between the observations and the theory – the cooks and the thinkers.

    A significant point is that a tremendous amount of money has been poured into research on hot fusion without practical success. For example, the ‘Stellarator’ at Princeton was built on the mathematical equations of ionized plasmas with the expectation that high enough temperatures would be achieved in the closed raceway for energetic particles to achieve fusion. But “instabilities” developed and the beam found many ways to short to the wall of the giant tube before reaching that temperature.”

    “Is the cold fusion effect a series of mistakes by independent scientists or is it that the essential principle has not been discovered? The final decision on hot fusion versus cold fusion may not be known now, but the relative amount of money spent for no results is clearly greater for the former.”

  56. p.g.sharrow November 18, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    @Zeke; this is true. Back in 1963, I was 15, My studies in known fusion, hot fusion, led my to decide practical fusion could not happen. When the F&P experiment was announced I reexamined my studies on the requirements for fusion, slapped myself on the forehead, and said “Of course!” a crystal lattice, with a little help, could achieve the density/pressure needed for fusion. And do it without the firestorm of hot neutrons that hot fusion produced. Even GOD does not use hot fusion to power the universe.
    Is the Rossi device the solution? I don’t know. I see a real short coming in the design, so maybe it is just a stepping stone, but a very good one to be sure. I have been stuffing this thread with details that I think are important. This is not rocket science engineering as there are a lot of unknowns in the physics. Kind of like in the “good old days” of the 50s when the now retiring fusion experts were building leading edge physics stuff in their fathers garages and basements. pg

  57. Zeke November 22, 2012 at 8:25 am

    I am confident that Rossi has gotten it right, and that everyone expecting to get an H-H reaction are incorrect.

    Happy Thanksgiving to you, PG, and Mrs. PG (:

  58. adolfogiurfa November 27, 2012 at 5:11 am

    @P.G.: Watch this:

  59. p.g.sharrow November 28, 2012 at 11:36 am

    @Adolfo; Ok, I watched it………………………………………………………………………..

    Mr De Stefano sounds like a confused young man, that wants his way NOW!
    Does this mean he is part of the “Light” or part of the “Dark”?. Maybe he needs 40 years more of living and thinking to get his thoughts organized. Of course by then he will be part of the problem, “old people”, and not part of his solution, “young people”. 😉 I find that “The Darkness” often surrounds its self with “The Light” to look acceptable.

    Much of what he said about the nature of GOD, souls, incarnation, and the “hall of records”, in the first half of his presentation, has been known and taught for thousands of years. As we move through the plain of the galaxy, the EMF density is spiking and Psychic energy sensitivity is increased. Both the ability and acceptance of these things has been increasing for at least 2 generations, 50 years, and should increase for at least another generation before dropping off.

    Today “The Water Carrier” started to dump his load on us, here in California, They say that we should get blessed with 20 inches this week, we just had 10 inches last week! 32 inches is a normal rainy season supply, and we have 5 months to go. Good thing I live on top of a hill 2000 feet above the valley. 😎 pg

  60. p.g.sharrow November 28, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    @Zeke; I find this H to H fusion to be a strange thing. Hydrogen atoms encounter and bond to others readily, to form H2, but requires very high packing densities to make the next step to deuterium as one of the hydrogens collapses to a neutron and joins its’ partners proton. That creation of a neutron is a net addition of energy and therefor mass and takes a relative long time, dependent upon the packing density. Modern physics still does not accept the present day creation of neutrons, only neutron decay. Neutron Creation and Decay is the key to LENR as in the Rossi device. Aetherial pressure and/or Gravity provides the needed packing pressure or in the LENR device, crystal lattice EMF and outside EMF pressures, help to cause neutron creation. The decay of a neutron at the speed of light releases that energy as a gama ray spike and at times results in an increase in nucleus proton count as demonstrated in the Rossi device.
    The high temperature device that, has a COP2 output, has demonstrated little or no conversion of the nickel to copper. Neutron creation and decay only! and little matter consumption. Zero point energy demonstrated!

    But, I still believe that the Rossi device has a basic design flaw that limits it as a real energy producer. We shall see if he discovers the flaw. pg

  61. Zeke November 28, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    I appreciate what you are saying. The US Navy announced it had successfully gotten a cold fusion reaction in 2009 with a lattice and had detected neutrons.

    But in every other case I have studied the action is with the heavy elements.

  62. p.g.sharrow November 29, 2012 at 12:08 am

    @Zeke; It appears that the Navy Lab has closed its’ LENR research effort and the people involved are cooperating with the Rossi effort. Nothing for sure on this, but the Navy Lab effort that was set up after the F&P announcement and has demonstrated many positive proofs of LENR has disappeared and Rossi claims that people provided by the DoD have helped him as he improved the various Ecats. Rossi has said that the DoD was to be the purchaser of the first hot water 1Megwatt waterheater. Rossi now says that he has sold the first commercial 1Megwatt water heater to a power plant and it will go on line in February of next year. I fear that the present domestic water heater marketing plan can not work due to regulations and service requirements and the costs involved. TOO bad I had hoped to use one to heat my greenhouse. pg

  63. p.g.sharrow March 19, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    Andrea Rossi
    March 15th, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Dear Steven N. Karels:
    I have understood. The availability is about 90%, since the plant works about 8,000 hours out of the total of 8760 hours of a year.
    100- 110 °C
    COP-6
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.
    Andrea Rossi
    _______________________________________________________________________________________

    This information is about the the 1meg watt commercial Water heater delivered last year to unspecified customer. This has been refueled at least once and customer has been co-operating with improvements.
    In my opinion the customer is the US Department of the Navy and the unit is heating water for a Barracks or Apartment building and is a beta test for a 12 unit order. pg

  64. p.g.sharrow March 25, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    Latest on Rossi Ecat, the independent test has been completed and the report is being created, expected in 3 or 4 weeks:
    _____________________________________________________________________________________

    Andrea Rossi
    March 24th, 2013 at 10:53 PM

    DEAR GEORGEHANTS:
    YOUR COMMENT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE OPENS THE GATE FOR THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION:
    THE TESTS OF THE THIRD INDIPENDENT PARTY HAVE BEEN COMPLETED YESTERDAY.
    I DID NOT ATTEND, THEREFORE I DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY THE RESULTS, THAT WILL SURELY BE PUBLISHED BY THE EXAMINATORS, PROBABLY AROUND THE HALF OF APRIL. I MET THE 11 PROFESSORS AND EXPERTS THAT MADE THE TESTS AND THEY WERE VERY POSITIVE. ONE OF THEM TOLD ME ” WE GOT EVIDENCE THAT THE ‘ EFFECT’ IS REAL BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT”. I COULD NOT GET MORE INFORMATION, BECAUSE THEY NOW HAVE TO ELABORATE THE DATA TO PREPARE THE PUBLICATION. ALL THE PROFESSORS SAID THE TEST IS GONE WELL, VERY WELL. THE LAST TEST ENDED AFTER 120 HOURS OF UNINTERRUPTED OPERATION OF THE REACTORS ( THE NEW GENERATION OF HOT CATS IS MADE BY A TWO STAGE SYSTEM, MADE WITH AN ACTIVATOR WITH RESISTANCES COUPLED WITH A KIND OF CHARGE, WHICH ACTIVATES THE E-CAT WITH A DIFFERENT CHARGE). THE EFFECT IS STUNNING, WE SAW IN OUR PRIVATE TESTS, AND HAS BEEN REPLICATED BY THE THIRD INDIPENDENT PARTY.
    NOW WE PASS TO THE INDUSTRIAL ENGAGEMENTS: WE HAVE TO DELIVER OUR PLANTS BY THE END OF APRIL.
    WARM REGARDS,
    ANDREA ROSSI
    Andrea Rossi
    March 24th, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    Dear Steven N. Karels:
    1- Three
    2- No, they were the new generation of Hot Cat, a 1 kW module composed by 2 stages, an activator and an E-Cat in the same reactor. Is the last generation.
    3- Hot
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.
    Steven N. Karels
    March 24th, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    Regarding the independent third-party testing, you stated “But my Cats are good, I’m sure they are working well”

    Questions:

    1. How many eCats did you provide to the third party testers?
    2. Were they nominal 10kW output power reactors?
    3. What flavor of eCats (Thermal, Hot or Gas-fired) were provided?
    _______________________________________________________________________________

    The tests
    A new design hot Ecat, has separated activation from the main power production element. This should greatly improve control and output. pg

  65. Zeke March 26, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Interesting development, thanks Wizard.

  66. Tenuc May 19, 2013 at 5:58 am

    Hi PG, any news on the publication of the independent test results yet?

  67. Tenuc May 30, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Came across the report for independent eCat test here…

    http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1305/1305.3913.pdf

    Looks promising with a cop of 2+ and a temperature of 700+ Celsius. Hope he can get this thing to market soon!

    BTW, Hows the testing of the saucer coming on PG???

  68. Tenuc May 30, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Apologies, that should by 700+ Kelvin – Oops.

  69. p.g.sharrow May 31, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    @Tenuc & Zeke, Sorry about not replying sooner, I’ve been off helping a friend with a home rebuild.
    Looks like the independent report on the Rossi device was released on the 23rd and is very positive that it is real and very hot!. They even had a melt down on the first test!
    Soon I hope to return to work on my project. It is now the start of the dry season here and the thing is now outside. I really need to do a smoke test of the circuits!! pg

  70. Tenuc July 2, 2013 at 4:34 am

    Found a useful summary of LENR tech on WUWT. Well worth a read, I think.

    http://lenrweb.com/

    Seem a few different products could be on the market over the next coupe of years, both Ni/H and Pb/D. At the end of the article there is a summary of a few possible theories as to how ‘LENR’ works.

  71. P.G.Sharrow July 3, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    @Tenuc; I recognize a number of the works cited. Considerable work has been done over the last 30 years on this phenomena with real but small results. The largest road block seems to be the “Hot” fusion people that insist on firestorms of high energy neutrons as a marker of success.

    This “LENR” creates energy events through the dance of Hydrogen/Neutron conversion, an EMF pulse in the Aether caused by the change in size of AR (Atomic Radius) times Pi x ten to the 6th power at the speed of light. An energy conversion of Mass/Inertia to EMF and not matter to energy conversion. The “hot” fusion/fission people have the wrong fundamental concept of how GOD powers the Universe so their conclusions are based on flawed understanding. Close enough for “Atomic Bombs” but not useful in a bottle.

    The “Rossi” device is not the end game, but points us in the right direction. His latest creation seems to actually consume very little “fuel” during the “conversion dance”. It may well tap into Dark energy/matter that makes up Aether. “Fuel” is only consumed as by-products, that the device creates, become non-reactive under the conditions in the device. Radioactive isotopes are the most reactive and those that are the most stable are the least reactive. Kind of a nice thing for an atomic reactor to do. 😎

    All the other devices offered seemed to be R&D maybe’s at present. More vaporware then useful. Of course mainstream Fusion has been a money pit vaporware operation for over 50 years and still rolls on.

    Rossi is selling commercial devices that really work at a guaranteed COP of 6. That is not vaporware! It will be interesting to see how this “Genii” can be stuffed back into the bottle. pg

  72. Zeke July 3, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    Happy Fourth, PG!

  73. P.G.Sharrow July 4, 2013 at 5:42 am

    An enjoyable 4th to all
    HAPPY BIRTHDAY America. pg

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