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Forget AGW: Somerset was flooded by E.A. Incompetence

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From SWK AKA The Ghost of Corporal Jones, we get some inside info on the cause of the flooding problems in Somerset:

floodI’ve tried to get the following info into the MSM, I managed to find ‘Bishophill’ last night and from there got to here, it might be of interest to those who want the truth of the situation

I wish to remain anonymous for good reason, I think you’ll understand why.

You have to go back to 1939, when the MOD decided that they needed a new Munitions factory for HDX explosives, HDX uses a lot of water, all munitions manufacture does, but HDX is greedy.

The levels had too much water and so we built one on the Levels, ROF37 or ROF Bridgewater or ROF Woolavington, it’s all the same place.

To ensure that there was enough water even on the waterlogged Levels, we built the Huntspill River…

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14 responses to “Forget AGW: Somerset was flooded by E.A. Incompetence

  1. Simon Derricutt February 14, 2014 at 10:07 am

    Thanks pg. I’ll put this up of the FB page and maybe some of my friends/relations in the Army might produce some comments.

  2. p.g.sharrow February 14, 2014 at 9:44 pm

    @ Simon Derricutt; Well a few people have viewed the post. Every one counts. The comments on the post at Tallbloke point to many more links of Ecoloon NGO connections. Skeptic challenges to AGW are beginning to gain traction but the main thrust of behind the scenes grabbing control of resources is still operating. We will need to push hard to turn this collapse of the AGW scare into a rout of the Ecoloon NGO power grab. People are beginning to wake up to the lie. We must not let them regroup behind another scare screen.
    The World Wide Web is the key tool to spread that message. The Ecoloon NGOs are trying to steal our liberties and our property for their use. We don’t need them! pg

  3. p.g.sharrow February 14, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    I reblogged this as it is important to me and my friends. They are dueling with Nature Conservancy that was Gifted 40 acres of swamp and are attempting to use it and the endangered species act to seize all the local water rights and the surface use of thousands of acres of adjoining ranch lands. The Nature Conservancy Has a goal to control 12% of the earths’ surface. And return it to wilderness with no people on it to disturb the natural order. Except for themselves of course!

    Worthless swamp it was, Somerset was drained for a purpose. Maintain the drainage or swamp it will return to. The Environmentalists want swamp. Small wonder that they reduced drainage effort by an agency that they control. Enviro NGOs control 10% of the earths’ surface, and they want to drive the people there, off of the land. They want to control much more land and they consider humans to be a cancer to be removed from it. Welcome to Agenda 21 and sustainability. pg

  4. Simon Derricutt February 15, 2014 at 4:33 am

    pg – the post has been spreading further, but so far no corroboration from my Army people – possibly they’d never heard of this.

    I could be regarded as an ecoloon – I want our kids to have green fields and trees, unpolluted air and water and the rubbish to be recycled rather than thrown into a festering heap or end up bobbing around in the oceans for years. The best way to achieve that seems to me to be to make the ecologically sound methods the cheapest to do. If energy becomes very cheap, then recycling saves money, so we won’t need so much freshly mined “stuff”. With robotic plant care and harvesting, you could plant fields with a diverse crop rather than a monoculture, thus pest control and disease control would be minimised since the natural plant defences would be adequate. Wildernesses are a source of diversity, and in diversity lies the capabilities for dealing with more things than a controlled system would allow for.

    The real problem with managing something as complex as the world is that if one sole management system takes over, then a single mistake can be permanently fatal. Having a diverse set of small management systems is again stronger, so while there will be a lot more mistakes they are all small ones that are limited in scope, and the whole survives. Look at the management of wolves and moose in Yellowstone for an example. Thus I’m against any one organisation having too much land or control – it may seem more efficient and safer but it could also be catastrophic. Leave the farmers to organise their farms – those who do a good job will get richer and stay in business but those who fail the land will go broke (and complain about it) and go do something they are better suited for.

    On AGW, it really is time that the believers really looked at the history and noted that when it was warmer than now it was a time of plenty for all. Colder than now led to hardships. In fact we have little effect on the global climate, of course, and there’s little we can do about it except get the forecasting better and to plan for coping with what’s coming as a result of changes in the Sun and our orbit.

    Reply: I have been getting more hits on that post in 2 days then everything else of the last 2 weeks! Must be your fault. 😆 pg

  5. p.g.sharrow February 15, 2014 at 6:36 am

    @Simon Derricutt; wanting a clean environment is as simple as cleaning your own room.
    Most Ecoloons that I have meet are slobs that demand others clean up after them. I have been cleaning up the environment for most of my 67 years. That is not the work of an Ecoloon, just a good steward of the land. Conservation of resources not protectionism. Waste not want not. Kind of old fashion concept, you think. 😎
    Small local organizations always work out the best. Organizations should only be large enough to get the needed job done. AND DISBANDED as soon as unnecessary. Bureaucracy always wants to grow larger with more power. Do Not let them have their own funding. The work they do is always inversely proportional to their funding. pg

  6. p.g.sharrow February 15, 2014 at 7:10 am

    WOW! I just had a thought! (it is very early before my first cup of coffee) It is no wonder Ecoloons hate humanity and consider it a cancer on the Earth. They are looking in the mirror at themselves. They are a blot on the world and are transferring their hatred of themselves and their actions to everyone else. No wonder they want to eradicate everyone, themselves included. Kind of a Jim Jones thing! they really are Loons. 😦 pg

  7. Simon Derricutt February 15, 2014 at 7:11 am

    pg – from a Darwinist point of view, the old-fashioned concepts must have worked because we’re here. People/groups with other concepts failed and thus died out or dispersed. There should therefore be a lot of thought put in before dispensing with the traditional ways. Understand why the tradition worked before you try to change it.

    Smaller organisations also tend to be far more efficient at getting things done. The people involved don’t need to be told what to do, either – they know the task and get on with it. Damn it – I’m still looking for Utopia….

    It’s nice to know that the (non-traditional) net is working well, and that good things get shared about so quickly. It may not have been just me, though – there are some diverse people in this little group.

  8. p.g.sharrow February 18, 2014 at 12:47 am

    @Simon; the increased hits are from Europe and not the rest of the world. Must be your fault 😉
    I had the good fortune to spend much of my life in the American frontier where people ran their own affairs as Government was too far away to be able to interfere. Unfortunately that is no longer the case. Central planning bureaucrats have moved in to “improve” the affairs of the local population.
    An elderly lady told me she felt as if she was living under the Occupation of Hostile Forces.

    City people expect central control and demand government services and protections.
    City people organize themselves to demand their government get things done.

    Country people want to live without government control and protections.
    Country people organize themselves to get things done and protect themselves.

    The Internet has proved that a world wide organization can function with voluntary self organization.and no central government control. Government bureaucrats hate this but so far haven’t been able get their hands on it. They fear each other more the the present chaos. We don’t need them! The chaos works well enough. Much better then the strangulation of bureaucratic red tape that comes with Central Control. Free men can rule themselves. 😎 pg

  9. Simon Derricutt February 18, 2014 at 2:09 am

    pg – OK mea culpa!

    I grew up in a small railway town – pretty organised in some ways but still a lot of self-organisation. Since then I’ve progressively moved further out into the sticks. Here it’s pretty self-organised and neighbours help each other when needed. Not much interference from authority.

    The chaos works well if people respect each other and give when needed. There are always a small percentage of people that take without giving, and people who proclaim their rights without also accepting that there are responsibilities that go alongside. The takers. We can survive a small percentage, but as you imply in cities there tends to be more of them.

    I still don’t understand why people want to tell others what to do – that whole “power” idea doesn’t make sense to me. The net organisation works since we do what we say, and would break down without that ethic. Those without that ethic need the central authority and bureaucracy, but most of us don’t need it.

    When resources get less plentiful, there will be conflicts over what’s left. To avoid the conflicts, we need to make the resources adequate so as I see it that’s mostly an energy problem. Almost-free energy means you can get water, heat, indoor farming (in a bad climate), recycle materials and otherwise have a good life pretty-well anywhere. When resources must be parsimoniously used, we get problems like the Somerset Levels that we started this string with – to keep that land well-enough drained needs energy which is expensive. It’s funny in some ways – there are a whole lot of unemployed people who still get money to live on (government handouts) yet the government is cutting the number of people doing useful stuff such as dredging and pumping-out. Meantime, we all know that the number of jobs is a lot less than the number of workers available, yet there is government help to “get a job”, though obviously if you get one worker into a job then another must become jobless unless you can also increase the number of jobs available. Maybe I’m being over-simplistic here – it’s complex.

  10. p.g.sharrow February 18, 2014 at 10:45 am

    @Simon I am kind of simple minded. GOD created the universe with simple tools used over and over in multiplicities. Educated overachievers try to confuse with complex explanations.

    Cheap dependable energy is the foundation that civilizations are built on. Massed workers, slaves, animals have been utilized, now we use industrial technology as our “slaves” to create wealth. On their own humans create a bit more wealth then they consume. With mechanical slaves they can create a great deal more. Given energy, everything else is possible. Limits imposed by bureaucrats as well as the confiscation of wealth to feed them and their vast dreams of aggrandizement can and will strangle everything else. No amount of energy and wealth will satisfy their demands for long as they always dream of greater projects. Our latest crop of educated Elites believe that their goal is to improve the world by reducing industrial development! Increase wealth and living standards for the Elite by preventing wealth creation and its’ use by the general population. In the area I come from this was known as “Making money on your ranch by starving your cows”
    There is no shortage of work that needs to be done. There is a shortage of wealth to pay them, the wealth has been taken to feed the non-workers and wasted on non-productive projects.
    An old Jewish proverb:”muzzle not, the ox that trods the grain” tells us to, not starve the one that does the work.
    A hundred years ago it was well known to educated leaders that plentiful, inexpensive energy was the foundation of the modern age. Considerable effort was spent to that end with spectacular results. 50 years ago that knowledge was “Lost” among the educated and we are seeing the results as foolish projects are being pursued at the expense of the functioning wealth creation base.
    We need to push the concept of people need to be free to create and enjoy the fruits of their labor without bureaucratic management. That energy creation and use is a fundamental requirement for better conditions for everyone. The Internet is our tool to get around the Elite attempt to control through the main stream media the action and thoughts of the population. Believe it or not, everything we say here finds its’ way into the general population. Everyone knows someone that has learned something on the internet. The people that use this form of communication are held in high regard by their peers for their opinions, even if they are lurkers that don’t comment. pg

  11. Simon Derricutt February 19, 2014 at 3:16 am

    pg – the question of what God is is just too big to adequately address. It seems everyone has a different idea or concept that may have slight differences or massive ones. I’m pretty certain no-one (not even you) can know the whole truth. Logic only gets us so far, so I leave thoughts on that to occasional ponderings. You’re dead right on the complexity built up from a lot of simple things, though. I look at the maths for what happens to subatomic particles and wonder how the particles themselves work it all out to be in the right place at the right time. There must be a simpler way of looking at things that makes better sense, but we haven’t found it yet.

    For the rest of what you say here I can’t really add much except to say I agree. There is obviously an excess of wealth creation going on, but the bureaucrats want to use up more than the natural excess and thus reduce the creation capacity. Since I see that cheap energy will counter that (at least in the foreseeable future) then I’m working to try to achieve a better energy source. The net makes that so much better and faster than it used to be – instant communication across continents.

    With the manual labour being done by machines in future, what we humans are left with is creating ideas. Some people (possibly a large number) will not do that either through not being able to or not wanting to, but the rate of new ideas and inventions is pretty certain to increase as people have more spare time from the needs of making the basics of life. The coming years will be interesting.

  12. p.g.sharrow February 19, 2014 at 8:30 am

    @Simon:”particles themselves work it all out to be in the right place at the right time.”
    That is the key thought. Don’t get lost in the math. It is a man made creation that is even more complex then any argument about how many angels can dance on a pin, the pointed end!
    Many people believe that if they learn all the details then they will have understanding. Memorizing all the trees in the forest will not give you an understanding of what a forest is. A forest is more then a collection of trees and every forest is different! Study the forest first and then add the trees. Every kind of tree, brush and weed adds to the whole of the forest.
    In most cases we are taught in school details, books and books of details. Really great teachers stress understanding, the details are of lesser importance. The details are not the body of true knowledge, they are the ornaments on the outside. The details may even be wrong! created to cover ignorance with Dazzling bs (bull shit) or BS (Bad Science). pg

  13. p.g.sharrow February 20, 2014 at 11:21 pm

    The availability and real cost of energy is the key to modern creation of wealth and clean environment of everyone.
    As I remember this was public policy until the early 1970s when the political climate changed to SHORTAGE! we are running out of everything, resources of the earth are in short supply and must be saved.

    A tax scam group using questionable accounting and scamming the tax code all of the sudden found themselves with control of huge amounts of capital and energy supply companies. They created ENRON out of this and went into overdrive to drive up the price of energy by any means, Since their organization was built on scamming the legal/ political system that is the direction that they went, buying influence and funding groups that wanted to limit USE of energy by making it costly to the users. ENRON created the concept of Carbon Credit Trading that they planned to control, They controlled the trading of interstate electrical power as well as the oil trading in the US. That is they controlled the price setting computer programs. That corporation collapsed due to financial overreach but the people and their organizations have continued, metastasize and grown. BP got the oil trading desk, Al Gore and friends got the Carbon Credit Trading an so on. The philosophy and political structure is still in operation but is getting frayed from overreach.

    People are beginning to wise up to this top imposed austerity. Independent energy suppliers are locating gas and oil supplies where Official Science said that they can’t exist and were therefor unrestricted for development. If the restrictions on oil production on known but locked up deposits were lifted the price of oil in the U.S. would drop to $36 range! One well locked-in in the ANWAR demonstrated 600 feet of hydrocarbons!! SIX HUNDRED FEET, 6 feet is a major seam. At present the nearby Alaska pipeline is running low on enough oil to keep it in operation. BP, that controls most of the area, refuses to drill additional wells to feed it to force Alaska to reduce their severance tariff on the oil produced. All over America resources have been locked away from development by Executive order to keep them from commerce. People don’t know it but most of the U.S.is still wilderness and there is a great Ecoloon push to return much of the developed lands to wilderness. Odd thing, well connected Oligarchs can get control of the “protected” lands resources by payment to the “right” people. pg

  14. Simon Derricutt February 21, 2014 at 4:39 am

    pg – it looks to me that people have always wanted to do less work and get more money for what they do do. The problem you’ve pointed out above is where those practices have been incorporated into the law and into the fabric of how things are done. Such things, though, can only really flourish in secrecy, and the ease of publicising things on the net should gradually change things as more gets exposed. Less darkness for the Evil Bastards to operate in.

    On the earlier post, also a lot of the details I learnt at school/college were wrong by current knowledge, and I expect current knowledge to mutate in the same way. People who are totally certain that what they know is true can miss discovering new things simply through not believing that it could exist. Sometimes I do envy them the comfort of being certain, though.

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