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Middle East Refugee Solution

Proposal to solve the Refugee problem as well as the Radical Muslim war.
A vast army of young men are being driven from their homelands by the Radical Muslim Warlords in their effort to “cleanse” and create their vision of a new Muslim caliphate that will conquer the world and enslave humanity to their princes.
Most of these young men want to escape control of the Warlords and get a job. Examination of writings from around the world indicate that the moderates are tiring of the smell of their children’s blood and want another way. But they greatly fear the radicals.

So I would suggest,
Enlist young the refugee men into brigades at NATO Bases. This will provide the necessary isolation, control and security. NATO is the only Western organization that can supply the necessary logistics immediately as well as initially needed command and control.
This will give them a paid job, get them off of the streets and likely be less expensive then putting them on welfare.
Get them under military supervision and military justice.
Mix and train them so that they acquire unit esprit de corp.
Minimize national, tribal, sect identification.
Think French Foreign Legion or American Marines
This will get them away from the radicalizers and intimadators.
To help with the corp indoctrination,Teach them Western English under full immersion, English only.
Indoctrinate them in American military ethics and values.
For those that balk at this Idea I would point out that the American military has a 250 year history of honorable treatment of others. Honorable treatment of others is of foremost need . This concept of demonizing everyone, not of ones group, brings out the worse in human behavior. Ethical treatment of others, not of ones group, is of greatest importance.
NO religious activities allowed for the initial training period.
This will help weed out the hardcore believers in absolute doctrines.
After a year begin actual military combat training to create the Liberation Army.
All of this should take 2 years. Years needed to weed out and sidetrack the trouble makers.
Time to create a liberation army to begin spreading a new civilized Muslim gospel
and start eradicating the radical Warlords.
At the same time a new Muslim doctrine must be created to be carried by this Liberation Army.
Gather moderate Muslim mullahs to create a new gospel that is to be used to drive out the murderous followers of death and slavery. Once this is done allow them to minister to the new Muslim Brigades. These brigades will protect the moderates as well as hunt down the radicals.
Westerners can only enable this reformation. Only Muslims can enforce it…pg

Spread the word world wide. Link or reblog this message…pg

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16 responses to “Middle East Refugee Solution

  1. p.g.sharrow October 5, 2015 at 11:55 am

    If you think you can make improvements to this, please say so,
    This needs to to be published around the world – Post links or capture and post to your blog.
    Time for the people to rule the politicians through the Internet. If enough people spread this the politicians will hear and act. Then we will have to keep on them or they will screw it up! They are politicians after all…pg

  2. Simon Derricutt October 6, 2015 at 3:02 am

    pg – I suppose it really depends on whether those young men (seems to be around 70% of the total) want to go fight to get their countries back or whether they just want to do a normal job and make a new life in a new country as far from war as possible. I know what I’d choose. Since the countries are often stretches of desert and some fairly poor farmland that can’t support a large population with a high living-standard (or even a smaller population well) and they’re now in a pretty green and pleasant land, there’s not going to be much drive to go back to it. I doubt if most of them would actually have owned that much there, though it does seem that a fair amount of the Syrians are doctors, engineers and other professions. They’ll have lost their premises and jobs there, though, so going back would entail building up from scratch again.

    It seems there’s been some attempt at what you’re proposing, with around 200 people taken in for training and around 4-5 in the field (and a red-faced US general trying to justify the expense). I suspect that we just don’t understand the culture we’re trying to change, so we’re getting things wrong with every intervention and may be doing more harm than good.

    At the moment, I really can’t see an imposed solution working. They have to organise themselves and do it themselves, and it will take time and a lot of blood before it finally gets civilised again. Tunisia seems to have mostly done that. The net will help in spreading ideas and organisation, so there’s some hope that there may be a solution in what remains of our lives. Maybe….

  3. p.g.sharrow October 6, 2015 at 5:27 am

    Hungary’s prime minister says the refugees and migrants arriving in Europe are mostly young men who “look more like an army than asylum seekers.”

    Prime Minister Viktor Orban said Friday on state radio that while he did not reject the right of any country to try to solve its demographic problems “with young men from the Arab world who look like warriors,” it was unacceptable “to have this forced upon Hungary.”

    Orban, who is advocating for global quotas for receiving migrants, says it is unfair for countries like the United States, the rich Arab states, Israel and Australia to expect Europe to take in the migrants while accepting few or none themselves.

    He said that if Europe tried to solve the migration crisis and other global problems on its own, “we will crush the lifestyle … values and strengths we have developed in the past several hundreds of years.”

  4. p.g.sharrow October 6, 2015 at 6:51 am

    @Simon; those that are fleeing the Radical Warlords have or will lose everything and are looking for a way to begin again. While the wave of invaders from the south into America is a problem, they at least are christian and have been a part of our matrix for many generations and generally blend in after 2 generations. This Huge Wave that is crashing into Europe is vastly different and is already damaging to your civilization. Due to laws and the refugees own prejudice they will not blend in. We know they will not self organize except on tribal lines and that is the problem. Each group wants to predominate all others. Americans self organize to solve problems, it is their nature. That is why the present administration is so distressful. The Community Organizer strives to organize people into smaller and smaller special interest groups that are tied together through him. The problem in the Muslim world is that the radical groups are organized and well armed, all others are dispersed and unarmed. Moderates are being driven out and into the arms of western communities. We must organize, train, equip, and send them back or they will become a cancer in our society. You are correct in that THEY must liberate their homelands. Moderate Muslims must remake their religion to be part of modern civilization. All Warlords must be eradicated. The human race can not afford to tolerate their existence…pg

  5. p.g.sharrow October 6, 2015 at 10:07 pm

    @omanuel; It would appear that your efforts have brought in 25 views of this post, from 10 countries. A very good start. Looks like your tastes in blogs are better then mine 😉
    I thank you for your efforts…pg

  6. p.g.sharrow October 7, 2015 at 8:03 am

    If you want another view point on this weeks events that the MSM ignores:
    http://www.eutimes.net/2015/10/putin-orders-syrian-ground-war-to-begin-as-nato-masses-forces/
    or maybe they don’t want you to know!…pg

  7. David A October 11, 2015 at 12:31 am

    P.G. says…
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    “The problem in the Muslim world is that the radical groups are organized and well armed, all others are dispersed and unarmed. Moderates are being driven out and into the arms of western communities. We must organize, train, equip, and send them back or they will become a cancer in our society.”
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    I very much like the general direction of your comments. A couple of thoughts. We are talking about a German estimate of 1.5 million this year, so about one million men. Reports of who they are range all over the ball park, Yet even if only five percent have a Muslim Jihadist bent, this is a huge problem.

    The estimated cost for the Os plan for a couple of hundred thousand refugees was some 20 billion dollars plus much more over a longer time period and including families to follow etc.

    My thought is that Putin can very likely be worked with What would Putin be prepared to negotiate for the removal of sanctions, acceptance of his relationship with Assad, and maybe even free reign in Crimea?

    Would he agree not to sell Iran weapons upgrades? (Required) Would he agree to sending Iranian Shia Jihadists back to Iran? (required) Would he agree to make no further advances with former Soviet Union nations in exchange for no more NATO expansion?

    Would he agree to US help and aid in establishing a refugee safe have in Syria. The US and Russia militarily working together to enlarge and improve one or two almost abandoned communities as a safe haven (Protected by mostly Russian and US forces) for moderate Shia, Sunni, Christian, and Secular Arabs. Funds would come from Russia, the US , Europe, and whatever strong arm Arab nations we coerced into proving their desire for peace. Syria, under Assad, already protected Christians and had a mix of Shia and Sunnis.

    This would be many billions cheaper then other nations trying to accept such refugees, have none of the security concerns of European nations and US communities, and have another very major benefit; it would be an example of how the ME could prosper, and to facilitate this Moderate Imam’s would operate mosques.

    There are SOME moderate Muslims, formally religiously educated in Egypt, who do not accept the hadith, and express an articulate and benign interpretation of the Koran. Shias already reject parts of the hadith. The elements of reform are there in some Shia groups, and in some Sunni mystic factions. The idea of a demand for a political Caliphate must be untaught as well. These safe havens with freedom of religion would initially be heavily secured, both internally from dissent, and externally from radically elements which would want it to fail. (By the way, my initial thought, after reading some books at the time, was that the US should not go into Iraq as the power vacuum was not predictable and the US would be to extended and to risky with Iran right there) but we should have gone very heavily into Afghanistan and done exactly this; make one small nation work as a model with the international community both financing it, and securing it.

    In conjunction with these model safe heavens, the US and Russian forces working together would militarily provide the stick, converting ISIS and Al Qaeda affiliates to dust, The clear message would be that the Jihadist mind set is a loser. As a part of the bargain with Russia, Iran would then be told to leave Israel alone and no longer fund Hezbollah. These safe heavens in a nation secured by joint Russian and US forces would then, with international support begin to have a very heavy influence on the rest of the Muslim world forcing reform.

    It would take leadership far stronger then what we currently have to make this work.

  8. E.M.Smith October 11, 2015 at 8:39 am

    Two things.

    First, you can’t have the “no rligious activities for a year”: and have this work. The Koran directly says that they must pray 5 times a day. If they don’t do that, they are violating the Koran… I’d instead have it be “directed praying” with moderates leading the praying…

    A very moderate pro peace Muslim Cleric tried to make a reformed kind of Islam in, IIRC, California. He was murdered… Be prepared to have a lot of attempts to kill off any recruited “moderates”…

    Otherwise, yeah, I agree with the idea. Also remenber the Free French Army and Underground of W.W.II who were not looking to emigrate to England, just prepare there. (And the Free Polish Army and…)

  9. p.g.sharrow October 11, 2015 at 11:14 am

    @DavidA; It would appear you have a grasp of the situation and have given some thought as to a strategic solution.
    Everyone wants the U.S.to provide the FORCE for the solution that would best benefit them, but no one wants to do the heavy lifting and they all want to dictate the outcome. A real solution requires that those that benefit have to invest themselves to create a lasting outcome.

    We have 3 groups of Greedy Evil Bastards, GEBs (EMSmith) to deal with. The 9%

    Putin is playing a Napoleon part and likely is the head Oligarch, These people vie for personal wealth and power. To them people and groups are just parts of Their Grand Game. His appeal to Russian Nationalism is part of his power game.

    The World Socialists, communists, are at their game of world wide control that will usher in the new age of co-operative paradise, just as soon as they can create a new man, BY FORCE as needed.Think Lenin, Stalin, Mao etc. The ends are justified by the wonderful outcome envisioned.
    Where everyone is equal, except those that are part of the ELITE, they are MORE equal then others that are workers, or slaves. Win one election one time and then use the power of the government to squash all opposition and promote themselves. Or in the case of the UN and EU just take them over at the start and lobby for more and more power and funds.

    Muslim hard liners that each want to establish a world wide Caliphate of their own particular dogma. Like all cults they each follow the process of insisting theirs is the ONE TRUE path and all others must be converted for them to reach their version of paradise.

    Meanwhile 90% of the people just want to live their lives in peace, with some minor level of prosperity and freedom.

    Lenin said POWER comes from the barrel of a gun!

    People only have power if their willing number exceeds the number of bullets that the gunmen are willing to use. But, guns and bullets are expensive, gunmen must be funded by someone. Capture enough resources and instead of stealing the needed wealth you can TAX the subjugated population. Force them to pay for their protection from others. No matter how this “Game of Thrones” is played, for real power you must access wealth and people by bringing them under YOUR control.

    At present the Radical Muslim warlords are driving out the moderates because they are organized and armed and the moderates are not. Saudi Wallabies, Muslim Brotherhood. Iran QUD have been working for over a hundred years toward this climax to seize power in the middle east. A part of the game set in motion 1500 years ago by a new cult at war with their more dogmatic christian neighbors.

    Communists see the opportunity to take full control through the UN and their fellow travelers that control the levers of power in western governments. All educated (brainwashed) in the Elite Universities into the Socialist dream of a new world order of rule by Educated Elite. This philosophy was set in motion By Thomas Moore and has been taught in British Elite Universities for over 250 years.

    The Oligarchs all strive to benefit from the resultant Chaos. For them Chaos equals opportunity! Even if they have to create the chaos. A game that they have played for thousands of years.

    Each of these groups thrive on chaos and promise to solve the chaos problem once in full control.
    The population of the 90%, beg for protection FROM the Chaos. Chaos created by the GEBs. The 9% that want to control EVERYTHING.

    The Internet Provides those that are the 1%, the thinkers, the opportunity to converse and transmit our evaluations all over the world for everyone to see, for the first time! In real time, computer translated in real time. The GEBs no longer control all the conduits of information. We now see the MSM failing in their assignment to mold public thought and opinion. As the MSM follow script and the bloggers post everything, the lies of the spin doctors are known for what they are.

    Long term solutions are needed. Solutions that are thought out without gain in mind, just solutions that understand human needs and wants. Solutions that bind the GEBs in chains rather then them binding us…pg

    Wow! that almost looks like an EMSmith reply and only took me 3 hours of hunt and peck…8-) ..pg

  10. p.g.sharrow October 11, 2015 at 11:38 am

    @EMSmith; The idea of no religious activity is aimed to break or discover the dogmatic from the more moderate. The dogmatics need to be set-a-side, isolated. One of the objects of the first years training is to discover and move dogmatic believers to another track. Many of the recruits will be other of other religious dogma that are being driven out. If someone demands and gets their special treatment then the “Esprit de Corp” training won’t work. As to danger for moderates you are so right! their protection is the crux of getting this to work, That is the reason for NATO base military security. I can’t think of any better secure starting place except maybe a Navy/Marine base and American predominance is not the best thing…pg

  11. David A October 12, 2015 at 3:07 am

    PG, thank your for your thoughtful response.

    I do not think any of us clearly knows Putin’s goals here I think his anger at the Bolsheviks is genuine. There is nothing wrong with wanting your nation to be great, it is just the concept of great that matters! During the time of Catherine the Great, Russia had extensive relations with all of Europe. This historic relationship can be remembered and perhaps restored. I would have numerous very long dialogues with Putin. The Jihadists mindset is very dark, and truly evil. A real leader would be having an international meeting on Islamic terrorism, with Russia, China, India, and many other nations involved which have been forced to deal with this. Of course he would have individual meeting first, and have a good idea of their concerns and objectives before such a meeting. The current sanctions are hurting Russia greatly, as well as of course hurting the European enforcers. This alone may be driving some of Putin’s actions.

    I agree with you that E.Ms. concerns are correct. ( Two of the truly moderate Imam’s I am aware of have death Fatwas issued against them) My concern is that a million refugees is quite a lot, and would prevent the NATO bases from performing their intended function. I think it far better for these refugees to remain in their country of origin, and the cost of building a city would be far cheaper and safer then incorporating them into any other culture. (the current solution will cost an estimated $500,000 to $600,000 per individual, before bringing in families later) Building small homes, as well as infrastructure to support such a population would be far less expensive in the nation of the refugees origin, and, IMV, have far better long term solution potential.

    This is an international problem, and if the nations of the world cannot impose a solution, then the US can and should just simply leave, encouraging internal Shia Sunni dissent on the way out, and leaving a strong unequivocal message to leave Israel alone. (on the way out of the ME, do to Hezbollah what Putin is doing to ISIS, with a promise to return with far greater force if Israel is attacked.) We should have established energy independence from the ME a long time ago, and so should have Europe. (Yet another consequence of the wacko environmental watermelons.)

    Dr. Caron’s call to perhaps have a litmus test for Muslims here is very cogent as well. Yes, we have freedom of religion, but that does not protect a religion which is fundamentally against our constitution. Freedom of religion does not give one the right to kill others, to make others second class based on them not accepting your religious view, or based on one’s sex, nor does it give anyone the right to decimate the concept of separation of church and state, etc. Much of this is built into the religion of Islam as practiced and preached. Such adherents could be constitutionally deported. Such Mosques could be broken up and disbanded. A publicly posted rejection of such ideals could be enforced before allowing Mosques to even exist.

  12. David A October 12, 2015 at 4:18 am

    Here is a link to Level Head’s discussing how Egypt is now combatting Islamism. http://level-head.livejournal.com/653612.html
    My comment is at the bottom.

  13. p.g.sharrow October 12, 2015 at 7:41 am

    @DavidA
    Dr Carson said that anyone that believed in Sharia law could not defend the constitution and therefor should not be elected president. Of course the same could be said of the present administration.
    The true enemy of the Constitution is the American Bar Association and their members on the Supreme Court. They have been against the Concept of a Constitution from the beginning. They have pushed for the concept of rule by Elite Judges. Slowly they have been eroding all limits on the grasp of the Federal government into peoples lives and have reached the point of Rewriting Laws to suit their needs.
    I read the post linked at “level-head” …pg

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  15. omanuel December 15, 2015 at 7:18 pm

    The real enemy of the people is now an unholy alliance of unethical scientists and politicians, who use false science to deceive the public and religious conflicts to divide the public so they can retain control. We must each avoid being caught up in fear and hatred of other religious groups, and we must work together to restore integrity to government science and firm constitutional limits on those holding public office.

  16. p.g.sharrow December 16, 2015 at 12:44 pm

    @omanual; The real problem is there is no down side, no risk to these people.
    Al Gore said that “There is no controlling authority, so no crime”.
    The founding Fathers presumed that the people in control would be Honorable People. Foolish presumption. I my experience the more money and power involved the greater the corruption that is manifest. If there is no crime in ignoring the limits of the Constitution, no real punishment exacted. Why worry about ignoring it? The Supreme Court is an agency of the Federal government and has no teeth. President Andrew Jackson said as much when he remarked ” How many divisions of troops does a Chief Justice command?”
    Since when is the party to be controlled by the terms of the contract allowed to interpret the meaning of those terms? Chief Justice Roberts said he did not know of any limit on federal power!
    Over the last 250 years the limited federal hand maiden to the states and people has become SOVEREIGN RULER over them. Thanks to the American Bar and the Supreme Court.
    What is needed is an independent Constitution enforcement agency that can fine and jail Federal bureaucrats and politicians that Ignore the terms of that contract. After all, they all do swear to uphold and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. The Constitution is short and written in simple language that any 8th grade graduate can understand and memorize.
    Only a Harvard Lawyer could be confused by its’ terms!…pg

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