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Navy Patent to modify Mass / Inertia

Patent for a craft using an Inertial Mass Reduction Device   patent number 10,144,532B2

It was brought to my attention that a researcher for the U.S. Navy had patented a device for the reduction of mass / inertia,  last December, on work he has been doing  for the last 12 years.  There are many citations of papers of his own as well as work done by others,

After reading the patent claims it appears to me that this is a proposed device patent meant to cover the possibilities rather then an actual device. The author seems to use a great deal of techno-babble to dance around,  Not saying Aether,  to describe the EMF manipulation of the near to the craft, space, to reduce the effects of Mass / Inertia by creating a richly confused, 3 Dimensional field…pg

8 responses to “Navy Patent to modify Mass / Inertia

  1. p.g.sharrow May 4, 2019 at 3:06 pm

    I went to the site and downloaded the patent and put up a page here for reference as well as a link above to it….pg

  2. Simon Derricutt May 5, 2019 at 3:16 am

    pg – agreed that the patent seems to cover all the things they can think of that might work, and that there’s not a lot of evidence that that there’ve actually been any real tests of the device. NASA did much the same with their LENR patent, where again it was a scatter-gun hoping to hit at least one way of getting a result but nothing saying “if you do this and this, it will work”. Still, there are some of the ideas that look logical and might do something. See what happens with the Alzofon tests, where at least there’s a specific theory backing it and there’s a description of how the experiment was actually done even though the results were less than convincing.

  3. Simon Derricutt September 21, 2019 at 12:06 pm

    pg – an interesting point came up from discussions with someone else (Arend) who is a supporter of Aether theory (though not the same as yours). In standard quantum theory and wave mechanics, it’s never mentioned what those waves are waving in, however it has to be *something* that will support waves, and thus has both inertia and springiness. As I said, the Aether never actually went away, just suffered a name-change and got hidden in the hope that “serious scientists” wouldn’t ask any pertinent questions about how those wave equations are supported.

  4. p.g.sharrow September 21, 2019 at 2:55 pm

    @ Simon; yes this propagation of waves in nothing seemed a bit strange to me. As is the Idea that “light” thingies could travel undiminished over billions of years across the vast width of the Universe. And how can light exhibit characteristics of both wave and particle? These all require something that fills “empty” space. Something that gives indications of great Mass. Everything that exists demonstrates characteristics of Mass and therefore Inertia. All of Space is jam packed full of something, Aether? Aether is a good enough word, we just need to describe it properly. Max Planck and Albert Einstein did not say that Aether DID NOT exist, they said that they did not need it for their equations to work, but they used made up “constants” to supply that needed part.
    As I see it that part must be units of charge, only charge in motion can create Electro-Motive-Force. Once you have units of charge in motion everything else is possible, even light that travels for billions of years. I felt that the “Photon” is the prime suspect for this unit of charge as it only “exists” while it is in relative motion to our detector…pg

  5. p.g.sharrow September 22, 2019 at 4:13 am

    @ Simon;
    Device generates light from the cold night sky
    I don’t see any particulars on how this works, but, you might find it interesting. Seems to be a dish thermal device that radiates into the cold of space. Output over six hours, finding that it generated as much as 25 milliwatts of energy per square meter. Looks like collage psychics students have “discovered” that a dish can be used to radiate energy into deep space…pg

  6. Simon Derricutt September 23, 2019 at 8:35 am

    pg – the generation of electricity at night is a pretty simple application of standard thermodynamics. There’s a “hole” in the absorption of the atmosphere at around 10microns, so you can radiate energy out to space which is a lot colder in general. A bit like the old way of making ice in summer, which was to put some straw bales around a bucket of water on a clear Summer night. By the time dawn gets around, you have ice on the water. There’s actually some film available (produced by MIT IIRC) that radiates strongly at the 10 micron wavelength and thus provides passive cooling during a clear day, too. You thus have a warm side (the ambient temperature) and a cold side (outer space) and a TEG between those two temperatures. Since a standard TEG (Peltier block) is only a few percent efficient, the power won’t be that much.

    For the Aether ideas, the wave equations used to describe particles imply that the Aether exists, but yet it’s denied that Aether exists (and the wave equations are supposed to show that Aether isn’t necessary as an explanation), so there’s a problem there (one of the ones that bothered me as a student but until recently I hadn’t realised exactly what the problem was). However, our descriptions of things as either a wave or a particle and finding a problem because the two ideas don’t match up is a human problem – what I think is true is that they are actually both things at the same time and it’s only our perceptions and ideas that are wrong. Near the centre of the bunch of waves, it reacts more like a particle and less like a wave, but that wave is always there and it is what the particle is. Still begs the question of “what is waving” and what difference the relative motion of that stuff does to what we measure. Since the waves we are used to pass through each other and don’t bounce off each other like particles do, that means that our descriptions of these types of waves aren’t exactly right, and that is probably why we don’t get how it can be both at the same time.

    Current state of my little experiment on the simple space drive is at and it’s a lot easier than your disk. Enough details there for the moment and if I get any measurable thrust I’ll put up details there. If you want more information or the files I can send them if you’d like to try it. This one doesn’t depend on any new theory, and standard textbook electromagnetism is enough to explain why it should work. It’s smaller than your disk because it’s working at a much higher frequency.

    Testing of the somewhat-weirder theory of Alzofon is progressing as I get better at dealing with and designing for RF stuff at microwave frequencies. Running that in parallel with the “simple” space drive tests since they both need that RF knowledge/experience (and kit) and RF is weird. I’m getting there, though, but it takes time.

  7. p.g.sharrow September 23, 2019 at 5:32 pm

    @Simon, good that you are making progress. I’ve been at a standstill for some time, just too many things that keep me busy. Right now grape harvest to be followed by wine makeing.
    While eating breakfast I had an inspiration for an artificial-gravity plate that might work to create “down” rather simple, If it works!. I will check out that comment link. thank you…pg

  8. Simon Derricutt September 24, 2019 at 1:33 am

    pg – this year had been pretty-well a wipe-out for the grapes here. Too much rain and not enough sun the first half of the year, and I was still having a fire in the evening by the end of June so it definitely wasn’t “the hottest year evah”. The vines are however less important at the moment than getting these new bits of physics sorted, and I’m maintaining the vines as an environment free of herbicides and pesticides rather than looking to make wine every year.

    Great that these discussions have given you an idea for *something different* to try out. To a large extent, whether the various theories we’ve got about how the universe work are correct or not isn’t so important. To me, it looks like they’ll probably all be wrong anyway, and the reality could be beyond what we can describe in language (which is based on what analogies we can find from what we see at the human scale). Still, maybe a part of the description is close-enough to reality to get something that works, and the only real way of finding out if it works is to build it and test it. The disk was worth building, apart from being a work of art in itself. Still, I try to design for cheap and simple, and easy to manufacture, since that’s been my skill for a long time. Take advantage of the availability of automated tools to get better accuracy and less hand work.

    Anyway, I hope the new idea works. You can always send an email if you want to discuss it in private.

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