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E-Cat

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It appears that Rossi has sold and delivered ( not delivered yet as control system is being up graded) at least 1 – 1Megwatt heating plant to the DoD  of a 13 unit order, these to be used for heating of apartments and has an order for at least 1 more for industrial heat.

The domestic 10kwatt heater is designed and a unit has been submitted to UL for testing and will be offered for orders before the end of this year. Present projected price of $500. This is for hot water only, but an add on to generate 3kwatt electric may be available in a year or two. The new design uses sealed fuel cartridges that can be easily replaced after about 180 days of full power use.  Due to the nature of the device, electric power is needed for the control system as well as 2.5kw for the 20 to 40 minute start up. This is not an instant on or off heater. About one kilowatt plus, electric is needed for operation for a minimum COP of 6. This is designed for max operating temperature of 120C or 250F and can drive a hydronic heating or cooling system.

At present people are encouraged to ask to be included in the first 10,000 unit offering to be placed at the end of August 2012.

More later  pg

Official information site  Ecat.com

Email  info@leonardocorp1996.com  to Andrea Rossi

21 responses to “E-Cat

  1. P.G. Sharrow January 23, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    Andrea Rossi says on his blog
    January 23rd, 2012 at 10:06 AM

    “So far we received about 50,000 pre-orders and counting, which is not bad, for a product that has still to be described in details. Our 10,000 target has been burnt rapidly.
    The E-Cat will be offered in details by this Autumn and the shipments will start probably within the next winter, if we will have not delays for unforeseen problems. Surely we will start the shipments within 18 months from now.
    You will be free to buy it wherever you want and send it wherever you want. You will be also able to buy it in Internet and we will provide you all the assistance you need.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

    Looks like Rossi is moving right along, A hand made unit is under going UL testing at this time before full manufacturing is started. National Instruments is creating the control systems for both the devices and the robotic factory. I checked up on them and they are very highly thought of for instrumentation, robotics and software. pg

  2. Pascvaks January 26, 2012 at 6:08 am

    PG – Not up on this “Mini-Nuc-Green Generator”; have really let it slide pretty much unless/until “everyone-that’s-anyone” starts “glowing” about it on the boob tube and OBYuan recommends spending $4Trillion to give it to everyone free of charge. Seems bass-ackwards to go with a 1MW unit and let the 10KW slide, and no talk at all of a 100KW or 200KW unit. Would think that the best “market” would be in the small-first arena. But, business being business, guess they have a game/business plan they think will work, though it still seems bass-ackwards. (Also a little curious that the Chinese haven’t ‘bought’ it and taken it to Shanghi;-)

  3. P.G. Sharrow January 26, 2012 at 7:01 am

    @Pascvaks: The 1mw plant is made up of 100 hand made 10kw reactor devices operated under a single control system. The 10kw size is the largest stable device that Rossi has designed and built. The new 10kw device is to be robotic manufactured mass produced and individually controlled. The projected cost of the mass produced device is less then 1/10 the cost of the hand made device and the mass produced devices can be series to increase the temperature output, or paralleled to create a greater output. Certain people have offered to take over the manufacture and distribution of this invention but Rossi has said NO, Wise man. He has said that this is for the people and he will not let it be with held from the market even if he has to make the technology public. Actually the technology is very simple and can be reproduced by many once they understand it, even the Chinese. Once the market is created and proven then others will jump in. Rossi hopes to flood the market with inexpensive devices to preclude the incentive to others to enter the market. A good business plan in my opinion. pg

  4. Pascvaks January 26, 2012 at 8:45 am

    PG- I’ll be keeping my eyes and ears more open on this. Wish him luck, don’t see him getting much out of it, what with Uncle Sugar, the Chinese, and GE waiting to pounce if he makes a penny’s worth of profit. Time to say a Hail Mary, or two.

  5. P.G. Sharrow January 26, 2012 at 9:31 am

    @Pascvaks; I have been following this with great interest. Energy production has been a great interest to me, specially small or local production. As to the BIG kids, I doubt that this is on their radar screens as they are big vision people. Remember the personal computer was a toy of no value for 15 years before the revolution took off. Those In charge still have not got a handle on it.
    There are prophesies about a device like this being reveled at about this time, and that the technology can be adapted to stabilize radioactive materials. Soon a major change in the understanding of space will reveled a great change in propulsion devices.
    Very interesting times we live in! pg

  6. P.G. Sharrow February 9, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    Latest on Ecat is that Rossi has nearly 100,000 pre-orders and that the projected F.O.B. price is between 600 to 800 US Dollars or 500 to 700 Euros. Specifications and prices should be firm and notifications to accept orders to come after the end of August. Finished devices should be ready to ship within a year after September 1. Depends on how fast the factory can be set in motion after the certifications are final on the device. I hope to get one of the first batch to test and report here, pg

  7. adolfogiurfa February 10, 2012 at 4:50 am

    @P.G: Why not to obtain electricity directly from it?. There is a cathode and an anode there: H+ and Ni acting as (-); if the reaction chamber could be isolated in two. It is really a variation of a Nickel hydride battery. Don´t you think so?
    http://www.cobasys.com/pdf/tutorial/inside_nimh_battery_technology.pdf

  8. P.G. Sharrow February 10, 2012 at 8:15 am

    @Adolfo; thank you for the pdf on nickle metal batteries I have what appears to be a !2 volt 80ah NiMh Battery that I got from a friend. Great battery! always wondered what it was. As to the Ecat this would not be applicable as any electrolyte would poison the nuclear reaction.

    There is another possibility that I see. The device makes Gama ray radiation that is soaked up in the Boron and then lead shielding layers to be converted to heat energy. This must create some amount of electrical stress. At present Rossi is looking at some manner of converting heat energy to electrical energy. He has a great deal of experience in this field. Indeed the Ecat came out of the need for heat energy to drive a heat to electricity system. pg

  9. adolfogiurfa February 10, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    @P.G.: It is not a matter of having an electrolyte, there are already two reactants, one acting as “Yang” the other as “Ying” (positive and negative electrodes) . Did you know that if you add the atomic numbers of copper and tin you have the atomic number of Gold?=79…..

  10. P.G. Sharrow February 10, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    @Adolfo Cu29 – 63.5wt, Sn50 – 118.7wt, Au79 -197wt
    ………………………………..63.5wt + 118.7wt = 182.2wt
    looks like we are short about …………………………14.8 wt
    ———–That is quite a few marbles to be short of. 😎 pg

  11. adolfogiurfa February 11, 2012 at 5:06 am

    @P.G.:That melt should be in a Nitrogen atmosphere.

  12. P.G. Sharrow February 11, 2012 at 7:04 am

    @Adolfo; that won’t work, way too many protons. You need to use H2 to build up your nucleon count. Actually to make gold You would need to work backwards. Go up stream and shed alpha particles.
    Or you could start with W(tungsten) in a hydrogen bath and create platinum group metals and buy gold! 😎 Now that looks doable. pg

  13. P.G. Sharrow February 11, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Contrary to what we are taught in school, GOD does not make heavy atoms by “smashing” two lighter ones together. GOD takes a light atom in his hand (pressure) and with her other hand pokes hydrogen atoms inside, one at a time. edit: actually the H2 molecule works better as it s’ hydrogen is already in a calm state. To make this work the hydrogen must be calm enough to collapse to neutron levels, Low Energy (LENR) Nuclear Reaction.So it loses vibrations and spins up, then it will slip inside of the atoms electron shell and will find a comfortable place between protons. If there is no comfortable place, too many neutrons already, it will turn back into a proton between neutrons and its’ electron shell will join with the others. This collapse and expansion creates a a lot of EMF in gama and infrared radiation. But tends to leave little residual alpha radiation as the atoms are balanced and therefor stable. Rossis’ device takes unstable nickle isotopes, adds hydrogen and makes stable copper ones out of them. pg

  14. Zeke February 12, 2012 at 10:43 am

    Two items:
    1. Andrea Rossi has said that there are other elemental byproducts from the process, and other catalysts which have not been revealed. He says some of the byproducts are “contamination,” but I think it is not impossible that the other elements are the result of transmutation. It remains to be seen.
    2. I do not know if Rossi has ever said that he has created a vacuum with only hydrogen gas to get his reaction. Therefore, air molecules are likely present and may be part of a suite of reactions. In particular, could oxygen also be an important variable in the transmutation process?

  15. adolfogiurfa February 12, 2012 at 11:44 am

    @Zeke. The “normal” result of the reaction, at room conditions would be Nickel Hydride H2Ni. In current chemical practice intermediate reactions are not considered, this is: reactions among molecules/atoms),but under special conditions,(as those in http://www.blacklightpower.com/ ), and that is what Rossi has apparently found, what happens is the reaction is forcefully kept at intra-atomic level, at an intermediate reaction, then Hydrogen is added to Nickel: Ni atomic number=28 plus H atomic number=1, Copper atomic number=29, so One proton from hydrogen is added to the Nickel “nucleus” and hydrogen´s electron is added to Nickel´s electrons, both now at 29=COPPER.
    Then, @P.G., what are you waiting for making some GOLD? . 🙂 We see that the “trick” it is : Not to allow a current “reaction”, as it would happen at Room conditions.

  16. Zeke February 12, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    FAQ pg 35: “What do you think about using heavy gases instead of hydrogen? Probably, it may help to produce energy plus precious metals by transmutation.”

    Asked by Ecat.com 3 months ago gas transmutation

    Rossi: Other gases instead of hydrogen did not work, so far. But, you know, as Heraclitus wrote “the water of a river is never the same”.

  17. P.G. Sharrow February 13, 2012 at 11:38 am

    @Zeke; The information in the patent application is for operating hydrogen pressure of 6-10 atmospheres. Preparation of the nano particle nickel is in a pure hydrogen atmosphere and Rossi claims that deuterium will poison the reaction, H2 is the only gas that will work in his device. I have my suspect as to the catalyst of his fuel element. The science that I know of will only work with hydrogen and somewhat with deuterium, Tritium would require too harsh conditions for safe operating conditions. Deuterium and Tritium are fairly high energy radiation creators. Not good for safe practical operating devices. pg

  18. Zeke February 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    “Not good for safe practical operating devices. pg”

    For the Energy Catalyzer, this is paramount. The device must be stable and safe to operate, and I read that he is working on a design that would even have a plug in outlet right on the side! (:

    However, the science of transmutation itself is neither new, nor is it very well known. It is too early for any kind of a paradigm to slip in and become fast. Hydrogen is what is working for a safe and stable reaction at temps around 200C. He has attained much higher temps but has opted for more useful and tame reactions. The science of transmutation remains to be explored. It has a history of great scientists who have written about it and it is good also to recognize their contributions. One scientist was Louis Kervran, who carried out many important preliminary experiments showing that living biological systems are actually performing transmutation of elements in the process of biomineralization. I am also working on other applications for transmutation in paleontology. But for now our Prometheus has touched his reed to the sun as he dreamed he would do. 🙂

  19. P.G. Sharrow February 13, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    @Zeke; spontaneous transmutation is much more common then modern science thinks is possible. Nuclear science is in the start of a total remake in its’ basic understanding of the creation of elements.They will not go willingly into that new frontier. Collage boys will learn and their professors will die off. Just like 100 years ago. Kind of like what will happen to climate scientists in the next few years. pg

    @All:Let me know what you think of my latest post pictorial on atmospheric heat. I am working on a set of these for basic understanding of the causes of weather & climate. pg

  20. P.G. Sharrow February 20, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Andrea Rossi
    February 19th, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    “The 1 MW plant is a magnificence, and the preparation of the robotized line to produce the E-Cats is in schedule to start the production within Autumn and the deliveries within the next Winter, with some luck; in the worst case, within 18 months we will deliver, and we will deliver at the prices we promised. The technology has been revolutionized, we are testing the new E-Cats and we are very satisfied. This very week we will start to use the new control system made by the new Supplier.

    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

    Edited version: to see complete comment see Andrea Rossi thread. pg

  21. p.g.sharrow September 15, 2015 at 10:22 am

    It appears to me that Rossi has been “Captured” by deep pockets. We will not see commercial use of the E-cat.
    I have seen this happen several times before. When a new paradigm shows itself a big player in that field shows up with cash and promise that they will expand and promote, just sign here. They will take care of all the front office stuff while the developer completes the needed R&D for product commercialization. When the startup money is exhausted the deep pockets company says “sorry, we have other needs to fund and are shuttering things for now. OH yes, That nondisclosure agreement you signed says everything that you have created or will create in the future belongs to the business that we control and are side lining for now. Go home and shut-up or we will sue”
    I have even seen the Big Pockets move in their own people to re-engineer the product so it won’t work and use that to discredit the earlier work and closure of the effort.
    In this case there seem to be a great deal of independent work all over the world. Damn hard to stuff this genii back into the bottle. Attempts to use intellectual protection laws to lock this up may fail due to “Official” actions. But in my opinion the Rossi E-cat is done…pg

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